quote, when mr. benz kau zi and lawyers met with mr.hey were not aware of any investigations and would not have met with him had they known. this is still an ongoing investigation. not only is it incredibly rare to hear from the doj on this, how significant is it they are publicly distancing themselves interest giuliani? >> it's a few things. number one, you touched on it, the justice department, much to the chagrin of reporters like yourself, around the world, the justice department never confirms or denies the existence of investigations. they are probably fuming at this. it's pretty remarkable. point two is, i am old enough to remember and i hate to play the what if obama game, but old enough to remember loretta lynch the way her name was dragged through the mud, i think, for lack of a better way to put it, over a meeting with president clinton in which they didn't even discuss the particulars of cases and here, you know, rudy giuliani was discussing open ongoing investigations. the other thing, let's not forget who rudy giuliani is,