mrs. bethune was holding at the ywca building in harlem. c-span: got a picture here of you and mrs. bethune. >> guest: yes, that -- that picture is from the time when i -- when mrs. bethune, since i was working for the ywca in washington, made me -- or coopted me, almost, as the executive director for the national council of negro women. but in 1937, when i was going into this -- when mrs. roosevelt was to come into the meeting to (unintelligible) for mrs. bethune, i escorted her. and as i was leaving, mrs. bethune asked me my name. she said, come back. we need you. and i've been back ever since. but you know, the interesting thing is that was the time when the first lady of the land could drive her own thunderbird, park it in a harlem street, come in and stay for two hours, and her only advance would be dorothy height escorting her in and out. .. her? >> what? >> how often were you around her? how often did you see mrs. roosevelt? >> actually, in 1938, i was one of 10 young people that mrs. roosevelt called to hyde park, moliard and bill hefrpgly and a number of us. and we spent the