cavuto. more fireworks on capitol hill today as democrats and republicans clash over whether today's hearing into irs targeting should have been public. >> what is the point of order? >> mr. chairman, i have a right for a point of order. >> just chill out. what is -- >> no, no, you follow procedure, sir. >> what is the gentleman's point of order? >> i'm very chilled out. >> that went well. in the end, lawmakers voting to fire off this letter to attorney general eric holder suggesting lernor may have violated criminal statutes, claiming she committed three crimes. the president, though, suggesting there's not a smidgen of corruption. it is unlikely the attorney general will pursue criminal charges in the case. so what other options are there to get her to speak? with us now, greta van susteren. greta, what do they do? >> in a nonpolitical world, she would have to talk, always they would take the steps, but she's going to get protection from the justice department. they're not going to cooperate. >> she testified to the irs internal investigation? >> i don't know, but she's certainly not testifying to the house. and i think the house has been sort of toothless in this whol