mrs. ciraolo: yes, senator. thank you. senator: can you quantify for me in anyway how much is remitted -- related to us kabila's tax preparer -- to unscrupulous tax preparers? mr. camus: senator, we believe the u.s. tax preparers should be able to trust that person to be competent and qualified to prepare the returns, and to prepare an honest and accurate return. in the last year alone, the tax division has attained injunctions against more than 40 tax preparers and promoters. and will continue to prosecute those individuals willfully assist in the process of filing those returns. senator: so, do you have any idea how many tax preparers there are? mrs. ciraolo: senator, i don't have that information in front of me today. senator: is that based on complaint? or is that based on the -- it sounds i got small number compared to the universe of preparers that i assume would be out there. is that based on complaints? or is that based on the services owns -- own investigations? mr. camus: they work with the internal -- mrs. ciraol

mrs. ciraolo. we prosecute the offenders and we hope to change the calculus with substantial censuses that we -- substantial sentences we are receiving. in addition, we share information we obtain from these cases in real-time with the irs. is working very hard to improve better identify fraudulent returns and prevent the issuance of fraudulent refunds. so that is the tax division's role. these cases certainly present unique challenges and we will continue to devote our available resources in this area. senator casey: i know much of what you might say in a short answer and it is already admitted in your testimony but if you had to itemize one or two or three action items we could work on, resources or other tools that you need to do your job and i am sure others who may not be in the federal government but play a role in this, what do you hope we would do by way of authority or authorization or by way of appropriation? ms. ciraolo: taking information back to your home states and make sure that the