oregon appellate court got it wrong when they decided the artist real expressed by mrs. clinenot entitleed first amendment protection afforded to other mediums of artistic expression. why they had what they were looking to. arguing andmenting to appeal is going to be based on the first amendment issue. >> the way they got around that in going into the public docket reason that looks at ordinary businesses in commerce as brick and mortar operations that fall outside of typical first amendment freedom of expression and religious freedom protections. court did that to get to the end result it wanted to pleas it ignored the fact that mrs. cline's business was not an ordinary bakery it was a service and expression she did using her hands and creating the cakes which was the way she expressed herself and the constitution is clear the first amendment protected that expression the oregon court failed to recognize and got wrong. as you look how do you see it my guess is you got a different take on that. >> i do and thank you for having me on. i want to make a point clear the reason it