mrs. clinton or lerner. it's not a big deal. it is a big deal. we need answers to this because you have people that died and people that were targeted. specifically targeted. this was admitted in the justice department probe. a disproportionate amount were targeted for real money and nobody is kculpable for this. >> should it work more like the private world. >> what we learned from the recent sony hack, the manager and directors make a half a million dollars a year in l.a. you're running the whole irs. that job would have to pay a million dollars. so you already have this huge pay cut. >> if she did something wrong, shouldn't she be held accountable? >> if you do a job and they're like this is a job you can't get fired from i would expect that job to have a lower pay. let's not forget it has the embarrassment factor. i can rationalize not firing people given their pay. >> chuck, you were a small business owner. i bet you're not afraid to fire somebody not doing their job. >> i'm never afraid to fire somebody not doing their job. our government i