>> well, i think it will be the same situation that we saw with escobar in colombia in the 80s, which is to say these men as mrsays in his interview are figure heads, the big guys it gets headlines when you catch an "el chapo" or kill pablo ed scor but it's an enormous business that involves thousands and thousands of people so catching the figure head just creates an empty seat at the top which often times leads to more violence at the bottom and i think mr. penn's point is that we have to examine the war on drugs as something that involves two countries, the u.s. and mexico and also involves supplier and consumer. >> yeah, and also, i mean, colombia is in there, as well, because people feel like the cartels are far away in mexico and colombia and directly or indirectly reach into every town and city in america, don't they? >> yeah, part of the discussion about mr. trump in your last segment is the border and ever since the free trade agreement, we opened our borders to an enormous amount of legitimate trade with mexico and plenty of trucks that cross our border with elicit substances. >> so your netflix show