mrs. desmond about it. i'm sure she'll get back to you about it. but people that want to hear more about this, we can do that in september. i appreciate that. commissioner fewer: i have one question. is it the very descriptive program because we've had that before with temporary results and were not able to sustain that. >> it is not really scripted, it is the approach. it teaches teachers how to teach. so that if the teachers are teaching the formula, there's some consistency in the way it's taught. there's still creative license to do some things but there's consistency so that all of the points that need to be touched so that the child has a complete understanding of it are used. >> just so the board -- i'm glad they're going to do a presentation on math because you're probably going to see quite a few different proposals coming in on math. because as you know that's an area that we need to really improve on. and what we're doing for the most part is not working. so what we're doing is last year we sent out teams to research programs that do wor