mrs. eiffle says back when the indiana case was decided in 2008, it was an as applied challenge. those of you who aren't lawyers know that's when you file a lawsuit and it is faced unconstitutional. that is correct. the court said is it's constitutional. let me point out, it has now been six years that the indiana law has been in place. it's now been six years the georgia law has been in place. yet there's been no supply challenge filed against either of those lawsuits. if in fact the effects were as claimed, then civil rights organization and the justice department would have no problems filing a lawsuit saying that this -- we now have six years of experience, as applied this law is discriminatory and needs to be tossed out. no such lawsuit has been filed. that tells you something about what the evidence is on that issue. >> thank you again to both of our speakers, our panelists. i now turn over the news maker for questions. please identify your organization. as we always say, please keep your questions short, no speeches please. i'm looking for the first question. >> do you nee