mr. --i'm sorry, ms. irvin--mrs. irvin and mr. irvin, you know, were very careful to point out the things that they shared with africans, how difficult, you know, culturally, it is to be united, and yet, you know, sort of how rewarding it was to actually get to know african culture. i mean, i think at one point mrs. irvin studied ga and sort of, you know, adopted the garb of the ghanaian women and that sort of thing. so i mean it was a very expanding experience. so then coming back--i mean, she--again, she just--it just taught them a lot of things about america that they wouldn't have seen--i mean, perspectives--and for a long time she set out to educate people about africa. c-span: before this program's over i've got to ask you about five movies a day? >> guest: it can be done and i have done it. i am a movie addict, yes. c-span: five in one day? >> guest: yes. it--i have a friend who was there with me so i have a witness. c-span: why movies? >> guest: why movies? because i'm addicted to narrative. i mean, before this i wrote, you