mr. jenkins, if you'll hold for a second. i want to go back to bob haggard of nbc. we were talking, bob -- aernl apparently we don't have bob. jim is a former director of the fbi's new york office. we talked about the fact that sooner later we will know who did this but where does law enforcement start? obviously, we know that in several cases, we're talking about the plane as the weapon so to speak but where do we start to track who is responsible? >> well, someone said this is unprecedented. law enforcement will start at the base of intelligence which they have and always have. that is the argument in the country. we have a very short memory in the united states and maybe that's good and maybe it's bad. but that's why we need effective law enforcement, although in a free society, as brian jenkins points out and i agree with him totally, it's very, very difficult to stop things like this. i mean, the first goal would have been to stop this horrific, horrific event and, of course, the second goal now is to save as many people as we can and to find out who did it. th