mr. jones. mr. jones: thank you. general campbell, thank you and your staff for being here today. i'm going to take a different approach. i looked at your narrative and the comment by senator levin, who is now retired and said, i cite these public opinion polls americans, 65%, 70% think we haven't received anything and he's critical of the people that don't think we've achieved anything by saying at the end of it and people that are 7,000 miles away think we haven't. well i would say to the senator it's those people back home that are paying the bills. they need to get something out of the tax dollars that they're paying. when we went into afghanistan in 2001, the debt of our nation was $5.95 trillion. today it is other $1 trillion in debt. -- it is over $18 trillion in debt. you know from your brothers and sisters in the military what we're faced with with budgets. all right. then, i read in a blog yesterday from someday jason ditz, between casualties and desertion, the afghan military is shrinking fast. the desertion problem is a long standing one, with many afghans signing up if they are military, sticking around long enough to get their first paycheck and then bailing and often taking their weapons with them as they -- as a sort of severance package. then in "the guardian" yesterday, afghan officials sanction murder, torture, rape, says report. now i realize that this is from human watch and we can have our views on that, there's a lib -- whether it's a liberal group or conservative group or whatever, that's fair. but they still write this and apparently there's been no dispute. i'll read just one paragraph. the report focuses on eight commanders and officials across afghanistan. some of them counted among the country's most powerful men and key allies for foreign troops. some are accused of personally inflicting violence. others of having responsibility for malicious or government -- if militias or government forces that commit the crimes. i know some good thibs are happening, i don't question that at all, but we are -- afghanistan has been proven to be the wild west. what my concern is, we've got nine more years of a financial commitment and a military commitment which might be limited in numbers but they're still young men and women out there walking the roads to be shot at and have their legs blown off, i just wonder, because we in congress are going to be grappling with sequestration this year. the chairman and ranking member who are doing a great job, are very concerned about the military budget and i think all of us here are as well. i know i am, i have camp lejeune down in my district. but i get to a point that i just wonder, not talking about you, sir, you're an outstanding great military person, but will there p ever be anyone in the diplomatic corps or the military that say, you know we've done about all we can do. some things are impossible. yes some people will benefit, but when i read reports like this, whether they be from the left or the right pat buchanan is one of my biggest pee heros, ron paul is one of my dearest friends, and i continue to see nine more years of spending money that we don't have so we can decrease the number in our military. it doesn't make any sense. i know you don't make the policy decisions, i understand that, but will there ever be someone who follows behind you and follows behind me that will be honest to the congress and the american people who have to pay the bill that we've done about as much as we can do? general campbell: sir, thanks for the question. i'd answer like this. again, you know, quite frankly this is the world we live in. maybe not the world we want. and i think the complexity of the world we live in is a generational piece that's going to go on long after you and i are out of here. and we need to understand that. and look at it as a generational issue and put strategies and policies into place that will get at this long term. it's not going to change overnight and i think we just have to change our mindset on where we're at. i think the american people are well-served by the great men and women who continue to raise their right hand and serve, knowing that they can go into harm's way. knowing that despite, try to do something bigger than themselves that they're going to face going into service that's going to have budget issues that it's going to take away. and so i think this is a long-term issue we have to get at. but what i'm pleased about is that, you know you mentioned all those different reports, and there are challenges, not only in afghanistan but many places in the world, i do see afghanistan as a place, because of the significant investment in lives and financial that we have provided to them that this can be the bright spot. that this is, for lack of a better term, a strategic win that will carry on in this part of the world as a very complex, dangerous part of. and for very little continued investment, we can make this a shining light of central asia and that part of the world and i think we've got to start someplace. afghanistan is the good news story among all these other bad things coming out. for every bad news report you mentioned, there's probably nine or 10 good news that don't get out because as you know, gd news doesn't sell. i give the president over there a good news story board that talks about the good things afghans are doing in different areas. when i meet with him, i say, mr. president, dr. abdullah, here's some good news stories. you're not hearing it in the news, but you need to know this is happening. i give him 10 or 15 power point slides with pictures. that word doesn't get out because it doesn't sell but for every suicide vest that went off in kabul, there are nine or 10 that are stopped. there are good news out there. the chair: the gentlelady from guam, ms. boar dal la. -- ms. boar lal doe. -- ms. bordallo. ms. bordallo:: i want to quote the national security plan saying, we must recognize that a smart national security strategy doesn't rely solely on military power. indeed in the long-term our efforts to work with other countries to counter the ideology and root causes of violent extremists will be more important. i strongly support this approach, general, however, i'm also concerned that the persistence we have shown in afghanistan and our presence there can have harmful effects on our long-term readiness. as we draw down to a force capable of p