five minutes later mrs. lopez e- mails mrs. madison and says, i am so sorry.that jog your recollection about what your phone call was about? >> no. >> the new draft that e-mailed? >> no, i did not -- did you drive that e-mailed? >> no, i did not. >> at 6:41, you call miss lopez again, and the call lasts five minutes, so maybe until 6:46, and half an hour later, ms. lopez e-mailed miss williams, and she said, all i told you today was confidential. it was too dramatic. with anything about that 7:13 p.m. e-mail the subject of the phone call? >> it was not. >> the remember what that phone call was about? >> no, i do not. >> at 7:23, and you call ms. lopez, but i am assuming that is a missed connection or maybe a message. >> a drop call maybe. >> she calls you back, and a call last for 11 minutes. do you know what that call is about thomas -- what that call is about? >> i do not. >> that call ends at 7:39 and at 7:47 miss lopez e-mails kellie williams and says, do not talk to the police if they ask you. as bad jog your recollection of any portion of the phone call

>> that is correct. >> after that text, there is a series of back-and-forth between you and mrs. lopezt 5:57, you talked to ms. lopez again for seven-. you recommend -- to you recollect now the purpose of that call? >> i do not. Ñ she suggested calling mike hennessey? >> she did not. >> in the middle of that phone t a response, i cannot and neither can he. you have to reject the actions. we both do. i cannot involve new people. did she tell you about getting that text? . >> the you know what it meant -- did you know what it meant? >> that is speculation. >> i am asking. >> i did not. >> ok, so that comes in at 5:51. no, that is wrong. i apologize. that comes in at 6:01 in the middle of a phone call you are having with lopez the glass until 6:00 for -- that lasts until 6:04, so you hang up and then call sheriff mirkarimi. you know what that is about? >> i do not recall. eheriff, and says, do not write any other thing. answer the call. she has advised now. you know what that is about? >> i do not know what that is about. >> what advice did you have? >> the only advice i had is that they

i think she was trying to answer mr. lopez' question after she had been hammered five or ten times in a row and a the judge reiterated that the death certificate speaks for itself. i don't think she was mocking the judge at all. i think she was trying to answer the question. >> judge jeanine: is the family hopeful, martin? >> yes, they are hopeful. >> judge jeanine: and they think it is still possible be get a conviction here? >> the problem is kitty called the police or filed reports or got orders of protection many times i think as you mentioned 18 times and she wasn't listened to then and all they can hope is that someone listens to her now. >> judge jeanine: hopefully that will happen. martin glink and katie ray jones. ing thanks for being with us this evening. tore my thoughts. i long believed the criminal justice system is southlanded in favor of the criminal. it is the criminal justice system when it should be the victim justice system, the person it is supposed to protect, the victim, the person who never chose to be a

whatever the commission's ruling on this, if the testimony of mrs. lopezove she hd stated all of this, i would like to be able to

and mrs. lopez. what does this tell you about the jury. with you or against you? >> they are obviously one mind and i think that they are what they call a happy jury. they are not mad. they are not angry. they are obviously there to do a serious job. >> with you or against you? >> i think they are with us. >> what does it tell you? >> it tells me absolutely nothing because i can't predict the future. what i want to see is is if they start wearing the same glasses as ralph wears. >> that is your. >> or if they come in with grey hair and mustaches on. >> but you know what it tells me. it tells me they are not going to hang. if they are all wearing the same color they are all in agreement. get to a little more are substantive stuff. throw up the diagrams. the body. 13 bruises abrasions all within an hour. >> well,. >> 24 hours to an hour is what the medical examiner testified to. if she slipped forward how does she have the bruises on front of the body. >> the ones on the knee. >> the shins. >> the ones on the shins those are explained from the relationship she had w

the more mr. lopez yells and screams about where is that and where is this the more the prosecution can say is, of course, it is not here because peterson did what he said he was going to do which is kill her and make it look like an accident. >> talk about peterson and the fact that he was trained in a chokehold. what is the hold called a submission hold? >> there is three or four different police holds. in 4 to 7 seconds you can put somebody out. >> judge jeanine: without any observable injuries? >> usually no injuries because they are struggling for air and the first thing that they do is try to go to your arm and by the time they do that they are already losing and they just drop. i mean i have -- you know. >> there are some bruising here. and bruising right where you would suspect. the deep bruising under the rib cage. >> judge jeanine: deep bruising on the left hip, three. >> i would expect bruising on the left hip. >> judge jeanine: why? >> and bruising on the wrists because he drug her down the

mr. keith, you may proceed. >> good evening, ms. lopez. ave you communicated with your husband's attorneys, mr. kopp or mr. wagner at any time before tonight? >> i just give him a little back and say hello and i bring a present for him from venezuela because i think they are doing a great job, both of you. i have one for you, too. >> have you had any conversations with them about the events of december 31 or anything that happened after that with regard to the police investigation of that incident? >> no. >> did you share a draft of your declaration with your husband's attorneys? >> no. >> and you recall being directed by the chair of the commission not to discuss your testimony with anyone after leaving the witness chair last night? >> yes. >> have you discussed your testimony with anyone since leaving the witness chair last night? >> no. >> ms. lopez, last night when we left off, i asked you about whether you made a statement to your husband on december 31 along the lines of, please stop, look at what you're doing to our son, do you know

lopez, i'm going to actually stop you. this is not an answer -- >> sorry. >> to the question. mr. keith, please proceed. >> ms. lopez, earlier you mentioned that ms. madison was advising you to call the police? >> that was that i told linnette. >> ok. but then your declaration you say you realized she was actually calling your husband's political enemies against your wishes. >> yes. >> what new information did you get or -- >> that i didn't -- >> what new information did you get around that time that ms. madison was out there calling your husband's political enemies. >> that's asked and answered. >> mr. keith, last time you asked that question you got a very -- i think you got a pretty detailed answer. what are you -- >> i don't think i got an answer to the question that i asked. that's why i'm asking the question in this way. >> i'll withdraw the objection. >> ok. ms. lopez, please proceed with your answer. >> repeat the question, please. i feel the same, don't worry. >> if the court reporter could read back the question. [the court reporter read back the last question] >> i see you are trying to make -- when

mr. harding complied with that request well officer lopez conducted a standard warrant record check.s he heard officers radio transmission, he suddenly leapt to his feet and started to run east across third street into the crowded plaza with officers and foot pursuit. suddenly, and from a distance of 10 feet from the pursuing officers, harding a ride of the northern part of the plaza and reached his right hand under his left arm and then fired several rounds from his handgun at both of the officers. the officers immediately engaged in a firefight with the suspect. he then it fell to the ground, suffering a gunshot wounds. officers approached the suspect to taken into custody and render medical aid. numerous responding officers arrived on the scene and observed the officers surrounded by a mob, many of whom were screaming and provoking hostility towards officers. as they attempted to secure the time seen -- crime scene, the mom became increasingly provocative with the threats directed towards officers. ultimately officers from four police stations and the tactical unit arrived to clea

mr. harding complied with that request well officer lopez conducted a standard warrant record check.s he heard officers radio transmission, he suddenly leapt to his feet and started to run east across third street into the crowded plaza with officers and foot pursuit. suddenly, and from a distance of 10 feet from the pursuing officers, harding a ride of the northern part of the plaza and reached his right hand under his left arm and then fired several rounds from his handgun at both of the officers. the officers immediately engaged in a firefight with the suspect.