mrs. mackall, they would talk, and talk or through when she was feeling overwhelmed.and so she had, she modeled intimacy. she modeled friendship. she modeled the ideal for me of maternal love it and so i sort of feel like i'm living, i'm living through -- i'm also living what i think -- this big part of me that is trying to be what she would s have been had e circumstances of her life been different. i'm trying. i'm not her. she was extraordinary but i'm trying. >> thank you. [applause] >> thank you. >> you know, sometimes people ask me if, what i like recurring themes or ideas that pop up everywhere. i said it doesn't really work thatreth way, but when i find, because i feel like what we're trying to do it our project is kind to listen to the culture and listen to the world as much as where listen to what people try to what happens is suddenly something services and then it's in every conversation. >> right. >> andnd right now what that is, which you so echoed some things that happen in a conversation yesterday with two young women, working in a very different sphere