. >> mrs. mcgraw, mr. kelley used the term, i'm not sure how to pronounce. i think we are familiar with if we have a teen on the other hand his is far more dramatic. a year of no -- [inaudible] the gentleman said that his parents could not know his history. yet he had no insight. you're not sure how to address that. what would you suggest? >> i was struck. as smart as you are, and you are an excerpt in privacy you learn from mr. rodriguez's testimony. not hearing this testimony there's no way that er physician has no way she can actually be as facile with the information we are demanding her to be. what suggestion would you have for mr. kelley? >> one of the things we had a lot of conversation about. when i said i learned something from director rodriguez this morning, how the concept of incapacity plays in the capability to share information with family members. which is not contingent. but circumstance under which mental health professional can make a judgment about talking to a family member when they a believe it's in the best interest of the patient. in

mr. chairman. thank you for your note of reality. ms. mcgraw, we are concerned about privacy and you can respect a certain ambivalence we must have for that is exhibited by this. the way you said the hippa gosch at the britain i put exclamation mark, exclamation mark because it's written to avoid liability, not to inform people of their right to her. dr. martini, i asked mr. rodriquez if you had a patient still used for bipolar patients are compensated, which he felt the loss of i.e. to speak that listen if the kos article have a psychotic break. he seemed to indicate that would be permissible. would you accept that the most psychiatrists are doing? >> if he did not want the information shared, most psychiatrists believe if the patient was not an imminent danger to solve for others, most believe they should not share that information. >> at the patient has a history of being noncompliant and having a bipolar episode in creating these terrible heartrending stories occurring, would that change the calculus would still be now, we cannot do it. >>

mcgraw, mr.elley use a term i'm not quite sure how to pronounce but i think were awfully with if we hav have a teenager to death in his is far more dramatic than that. a year of no insight. now, this gentleman said that his parents could not know and yet he had the insights. you were on a speaker not quite sure how to address the. by the way, i was also struck, as smart as you are, and you're an expert in privacy, you learn something from mr. rodriguez testimony. i will tell you, seeing 20 patients a night, it was not in your specialty, not tearing this testimony, there is no way that er physician, no way that she can actually be as -- what suggestions would you have as regards bill mr. kelley? >> so, one of the things without a lot of conversation about and when i said i learned something from director rodriguez point was how the concept of incapacity place in the capability to share information with family members, which is not contingent on serious or imminent risk. but circumstances under whi