so was brave, what did he do in the army, mrs. mintz, do you know?was infantryman, and the army was very good to chris. and i was very proud of him. >> was deployed overseas? >> no, sir. was not. he was at fort lewis. >> goes and confronts the gun p gunman and the gunman shoots him but is he still conscious enough to say, listen, it's my son's birthday. >> yes. >> this was yesterday? >> yes. >> please don't kill me and his son is, what? six years old? >> yes, sir. >> okay. so the gunman doesn't care and continues to shoot him. now, he has got seven rounds in his body, it's rick columbus that he even survived is, it not? >> it's a miracle and did not hit a vital oregon. he was in surgery seven hours yesterday and eventually he will have to have more surgery. but he is a walking miracle. but he is young and strong and he took good care of himself. >> well, he sounds like a very courageous man, all our prayers are with him. >> thank you, sir. >> you know, this is so sad and so tragic but you must be very proud of chris. >> he we are very proud of him bu

mintz. this is where i was born and raised. we have a very strong rural environment where a lot of people use weapons to go hunt and fish and for self protection. now what mrs keeps talking about is all the violence that's happening. little do people realize, there's over a million people in 2004 that use weapons to protect themselves. when jones talks about how the nra is talking about taking money from big lobbyists and guns and all, major firearm dealers, you should also realize in 2008, the nra and pro -- gun advocate groups only gave about $2.5 million to federal candidates. however, lawyers and law firms -- that was 1% -- >> what are you saying, james? >> when we start politicizing this, you're not talking about the facts. and the facts are that 959,000 people in 2000 were protected by using firearms. now, we have got to get away from just saying guns are bad. we have -- we've been -- >> but james -- james, i have to say this. i don't think people are saying guns are bad. i think that is a talking point how people are reading on the other side. i think they're saying it's time our gun laws and who's allowed to purchase a gun and how long of awaiting