mrs. rumsfeld say? [laughter] >> mrs. whose name is joyce and i met when we were 14 in high school -- we have been married since 1954. and if it were a little earlier in the evening. i would tell you how many years that has been. [laughter] but i don't want to guess and be wrong. what she says to me when i go on a book tour is avoid being infatuated with or resentful of the press. they have their job and you have yours and it's pretty good advice when you are dealing with the press. i take that advice about half the time. [laughter] [applause] >> you have been met so many different levels of the government including the secretary of defense. when he for their you knew the inner workings of how the government works. in regards to benghazi what is the timeline, should the president had known what is going on and if not, is he just saying that he doesn't know. [laughter] >> it seems to me that if people are being killed, what gets people in the office, talks to them and says i want the ground truth. what's happened, how did i

mrs. rumsfeld say? [laughter] >> mrs. se name is joyce and i met when we were 14 in high school -- we have been married since 1954. and if it were a little earlier in the evening. i would tell you how many years that has been. [laughter] but i don't want to guess and be wrong. what she says to me when i go on a book tour is avoid being infatuated with or resentful of the press. they have their job and you have yours and it's pretty good advice when you are dealing with the press. i take that advice about half the time. [laughter] [applause] >> you have been met so many different levels of the government including the secretary of defense. when he for their you knew the inner workings of how the government works. in regards to benghazi what is the timeline, should the president had known what is going on and if not, is he just saying that he doesn't know. [laughter] >> it seems to me that if people are being killed, what gets people in the office, talks to them and says i want the ground truth. what's happened, how did it h

rumsfeld and cheney. anyway, we were in the process of trying to get rid of them. they went against my advice and opposed them. i said well mrresident, it's your call, you're the president but i think it's a mistake and you should get yourself a new resigned on the the policy issues. >> mr. secretary, did you have -- >> it also illustrates something in these jobs they are very who rewording and you have a chance to deal with really major things and often you can really make a difference so you tend to enjoy it but you can't love the job too much. you have to be true to yourself. i felt if i stayed under the circumstances of the decision i wouldn't be too much. >> did you have a good relationship or what kind of relationship did you have? >> i have a very good relationship with him were. one of the first things i did as the secretary of labor was in philadelphia in the skilled construction trades there were no blacks tall if they were around who were skilled. they were working for those in the area and break them up. they have capable people but nevertheless they get more people there and let's have an objective. let's have a

rumsfeld and dick cheney. anyway, we were in the process of trying to get read of them, and against my advice to president nixon we imposed and. and i said, well, mr. president, it's your call, you're the president. i think it's a mistake and you should get yourself a new secretary of the treasury. so i resigned. on sort of policy issues. >> mr. secretary, did you have a -- >> also, in these jobs they are very rewarding and you have a chance to deal with really major things. often you can really make a difference. so you tend to enjoy it. but you can't want the job too much work that is, you have to be to yourself, and i felt if i stayed under the circumstances of this decision i would not be being true to myself. so you can't want the job too much. >> mr. secretary, did you have a good relationship or what kind of relationship you have with president nixon's? >> we had a very good relationship. we get a lot of really constructive things together. one of the first things i did as secretary of labor was common in philadelphia in the skill construction trades there were no blacks at all. yet, there were blacks around who were skilled. so we decided,