mrs. savinsky will come to the camp, to the lumber factory where my father was hiding, working. and she will take my sister and my mother. the deal was if i would be there and somebody would come, see me, determine that i'm jewish, the whole family would be killed and the jews would be killed: so my father was -- he was ready to let my mother go and my sister. that we should save whoever could be saved. and we were ready. mrs. savinsky came to the place where my father -- the dormitory. and it was at night, of course. and we started to prepare to say good-bye. my mother would have to stay with father or go with my sister and save my sister. it was a very, very hard decision. and we all cried. and then at one moment, she said i can't take it anymore. whatever will be, will be. take him with you. by the way, the savinsky names are here. and so there wasn't muchd luggage to take with us. we had absolutely nothing. so she took us, my mother and my sister and me to her -- to their house, to their farm. they were very poor. the law that applied to everybody about rationed food applied

mrs. savinski said i can't take it anymore. whatever will be will be. take the boy with you.o by the way, the savinskis names are here at the righteous among nations. they are there and their four children. so there wasn't much luggage to take with us. we had absolutely nothing. so she took us, my mother and my sister and to her -- to their house, to their farm. they were very poor. they were -- they were -- the law that applied to everybody about russian food applied to farmers, too. they were not allowed to slaughter any animals without telling the germans. they had to have a permit to slaughter animals, even chickens. everything, the germans had lasts of all the things farmers had. on the other hand, they couldn't go on the black market and buy food for -- well, i should tell you that after a few months when we were hiding there,bc?9i thee 13 of us, 13 jews. some came from other members of the 9msavinski family. >> so they started with originally taking your mom and sister, and then you, and then 13 in their house, and it's a teeny little place. >> it was a very -- they -

mr. savinski said my cow just died and i'm going to sell it, he said, no, no, this has tremendous emotional value to me. so keep it and i'll -- you know, i'll get, you return it to me and i'll buy you a cow right after the war. and so it was. the savinskis got a few of these 13, three of them, he was with his new wife and her daughter. and just recently, i went to -- my wife and i went to the warehouse where the things like that are, my photos and everything. i was telling them, something mentioned about the ring. they said, oh, we all know about the ring. i wrote a story about it. the story is called "the diamond and the cow." and it's not a -- it's not a -- it's quite like three page story. >> it's online, right? >> it's online. it's one of my stories that's online. but the people there, they knew it. they took the pictures and they just registered that ring. >> after all these years? >> well, because we didn't have that ring. only when my uncle's last, the third wife, died, they didn't know what to do with the ring in israel, and my sister got the ring and donated it to the holocaust mus