mrs. thatcher, could i see you? and she said, oh, won't you come to lunch. >> according to 0-627 -- >> yes? >> it was quite an intimate occasion with few numbers of people there. there was the prime minister, mr. thatcher, mr. -- and you. and the meeting was at your request. do you see that? >> yes. >> you don't mind if i tease you about this. when you told on july of last year that you wished politicians would leave you alone, you weren't of course referring to this meeting. [laughter] >> i think this meeting was to inform the chief executive of the company of the likelihood of a change of ownership of a great iconic asset. i thought it was quite appropriate. >> if thatcher knew that was probable or i suppose one outcome might close the great two titles if you couldn't sell them. but two purposes behind. one was to brief mrs. thatcher and give her your thoughts about the -- what is described here as the embryonic and redeveloping reader administration. do you see that in paragraph two? >> yes. i think it shows that

mrs. thatcher how very much you were "one of us?" "one of us" is baroness thatcher's term, but was that part of your purpose? >> no. >> of course you appreciated the importance of a face-to- face meeting. that's why you requested it. is that right? >> yes. >> and as mr. ingham says, if you -- >> the purpose was not to tell her about mr. reagan. >> pardon me? >> the purpose was not to tell her about president reagan. >> she knew all of this anyway. >> yes. >> paragraph 4 -- "the main purpose of mr. murdoch's visit was to brief the prime minister on his bid [that's your bid] for times newspapers." and then you explained to her what your bid amounted to in financial terms, and then you treated her to some speculations about who else had bid, is that fair? >> yes, that was pure speculation. i don't think thomson told me of anyone -- some had announced bids, like captain maxwell who was always bidding for things. >> why was it important to you that mrs. thatcher understand the nature and quality of your bid? >> well, as i said, this was th

mrs. thatcher. >> according to mr. ginham's notes, it was quite an infamous occasion if you look at the numbers of people there. the prime minister, thatcher and mr. ginham and you and the meeting was at your request. do you see that? >> yes. >> you don't mind if i keith you about it but when you told the select committee last year that you wished politicians would leave you alone and you weren't referring to this meeting. what we see -- >> i think this meeting was from the chief executive of the company. the likelihood of a change of ownership. >> this is thatcher new that was probable and might have slowed these two. she couldn't sell them. there are two purposees. one was to greet mrs. thatcher and give her your thoughts about what was described here as the embryonic developing reason administration. you see that in paragraph 2? >> i think it shows in this conversation some time--gossiping about australia and american politics. >> the preview, we put it this way. president-elect reagan and baroness thatcher and you w

mrs. thatcher how very much you were, quote, one of us, one of us is barrenest thatcher's -- bay roness thatcher's that your purpose? >> no. >> you requested a face-to-face meeting, right? >> yes. >> and as mr. hingham -- >> the purpose was not to tell her about president reagan. >> she knew all of this any i. paragraph four, the main purpose of mr. murdoch's visit was to brief the prime minister on his bid, that's your bid, for times newspapers and then you explained to her what your bid amounted to in financial terms and then you treated her to some speculations about who else had bid, is that fair? >> yes, that was poor speculation. i don't think thompson told me about anyone. some people announce bids, but cantor maxwell was always bidding for things. >> why was it important that mrs. thatcher understand the nature and quality of your bid? >> as i said, this is the movement of a great institution. >> there would be great problems with the unions. understanding the costs and risks. >> were you thinking to demonstrate to her that you were the right man to acquire these great papers because you h

mrs. thatcher's living. mrs. thatcher came to our territory here at camp david looking out through their cabin with millie on the side there joining in. and the first day of desert storm was announced. this is in the residence, what you would call, i guess, the family room of the white house watching the president announce the beginning of the operation with her daughter, doro, and press secretary anna perez. the bushes had invited the reverend billy graham to join them. here in her cammys. this was in the saudi desert on thanksgiving day before the start of operation desert storm. i think mrs. bush on her fifth thanksgiving dinner at that time. and then once the campaign started, it was nonstop. here we were at a beauty salon in new hampshire. that is not helen thomas under there. let me clarify that. i know it looks like it. i'm not that cool. greeting well-wishers in pennsylvan pennsylvania. bowling for votes in ohio. and on the campaign plane with marvin bush. he was always fun to have around. it must have bee

mrs. thatcher. i think what she's saying is who is that woman with all the cameras around her neck and why is she in my living room? i had barged my way thinking i would end up in a holding room. but then mrs. thatcher looking out through their cabin on the side there. this is what you would call the family room of the white house. watching the president announce the beginning of the operation with her daughter doro and press secretary anna perez. and the bushes had invited the reverend billy graham to join them. here in her camis. this is in the saudi desert on thanksgiving day. before the start of operation desert storm. i think mrs. bush was on her fifth thanksgiving dinner at that time. here we were at a beauty salon in new hampshire. that is not helen thomas. i know it looks like her. i'm not that cool. and on the campaign plain with marvin bush. who is always are fun to have around. here with marvin also we were on a whistle stop tour through georgia. this is several weeks before the election.

mrs. thatcher. i do not believe that mrs. atcher had that much time on your hands, but never mind. >> the point he is making is mrs. thatcher defended on your support -- depended on your support and you depended on her support. because of your -- which was just sky but became later, the merging with the two companies. >> i see what he's saying. i do not agree. >> ok. [inaudible] >> to 1990, the november of that year. >> editorials do not read by very many people the much. -- that much. and there were a lot of different opinions being put. >> your company consistently, 36% of the newspaper market. you are the biggest player in 1990 and you are the biggest player now, aren't you? >> if you are talking about newspapers alone? >> yes. >> well, put it this way. [unintelligible] every day. people can stop by my newspapers any time. often do, i am afraid. and it is only natural for politicians to reach out to editors, and sometimes proprietor's if they're available, to explain what they are doing and hoping that makes an impression a

mrs. thatcher, and i started explaining to her exactly what the provision of the treaty would do, and i said basically what it does is it creates an authority, quote, unquote, kind of an orwellian term and it would be in charge of riches under the sea and president reagan wants me to persuade you that he will not sign the treaty because he doesn't think it is a good thing for the country or the world and she looked at me and said, mr. ambassador, that sounds to me like the international nationalization of two thirds of the earth's surface. you know what i think of nationalization. she had been dismantling the nationalized industries in england and was very supportive. in any event, i am very pleased to be here. this is a terrific institution. it is a symbol of service throughout many decades now, and i thank each of you for your patriotism and your dedication. first let me make a couple of comments about things i am not going to talk much about. the phrase, the first time i heard the phrase compassionate conservatism was a friend of mine named joe jacobs. he wrote a book entitled "compassion

mrs. thatcher known by another titllea what is it? >> bill: the answer is "d", baroness.d-lib. it was talk show. [ laughter ] >> bill: they don do pay me enougjew 90-year-old nancy reagan, participating events at tooesidential library but she gave people a scare when she almost fell down during an event. she was saved from hitting the yround by what conservative politician? >> bill: the answer is roll the tape. >> bill: mccallum, you should have gotten that one. >> that was very disturbing. >> question number five, hillary clinton was named most admired w soan in america. and one of the first lady came in first a lot topping the list 13 times? >> bill: most admired woman and wrol the tape. >> the experience that is most valuable is the experience of doing things for your selves. >> bill: and wouldn't you like to wake up to that sound? >> and doocy wins, he is smirking. that is it for us this evening. thanks for watching this special edition of the factor. ioll bill o'reilly and please always remereater the spin stops right here. because we are definitely loy rind i'out fo

mrs. thatcher known by another titllea what is it? >> bill: the answer is "d", baroness.k show. [ laughter ] >> bill: they don do pay me enougjew 90-year-old nancy reagan, participating events at tooesidential library but she gave people a scare when she almost fell down during an event. she was saved from hitting the yround by what conservative politician? >> bill: the answer is roll the tape. >> bill: mccallum, you should have gotten that one. >> that was very disturbing. >> question number five, hillary clinton was named most admired w soan in america. and one of the first lady came in first a lot topping the list 13 times? >> bill: most admired woman and wrol the tape. >> the experience that is most valuable is the experience of doing things for your selves. >> bill: and wouldn't you like to wake up to that sound? >> and doocy wins, he is smirking. that is it for us this evening. thanks for watching this special edition of the factor. ioll bill o'reilly and please always remereater the spin stops righ

mrs. thatcher known by another titllea what is it? >> bill: the answer is "d", baroness.o the ad-lib. it was talk show. [ laughter ] >> bill: they don do pay me enougjew 90-year-old nancy reagan, participating events at tooesidential library but she gave people a scare when she almost fell down during an event. she was saved from hitting the yround by what conservative politician? >> bill: the answer is roll the tape. >> bill: mccallum, you should have gotten that one. >> that was very disturbing. >> question number five, hillary clinton was named most admired w soan in america. and one of the first lady came in first a lot topping the list 13 times? >> bill: most admired woman and wrol the tape. >> the experience that is most valuable is the experience of doing things for your selves. >> bill: and wouldn't you like to wake up to that sound? >> and doocy wins, he is smirking.

mrs. thatcher known by another title conferred on her in 1992 what is it?is what other moniker. >> barren he is. >> we have a tie with two questions to go. >> can we forego the ad libs? >> question number 490-year-old nancy reagan pro bust for her age knows the presidential library. she gave people a scare when shy almost fell down from an event. what conservative politician or hero sarah palin, marco rubio. saved months ago from hitting the ground. the answer is... okay. you should have got that one. >> aren't you and hammer on the air every morning? >> one question to go. >> that was very disturbing. >> question number 5 hillary clinton was named number won the most add fired woman in america. you see today's annual survey was the 16th time hillary hit number one. cam in a lot popping the 13 times. 13 time most admired woman hard to please. the answer is roll the tape. >> the experience that is the most valuable is the experience of doing things for yourselves. >> that was her voice. >> wouldn't you like to wake up to that every morning? >> eleanor roosev

mrs. thatcher. >> and none asked.'ve never asked the prime minister for anything. >> reporter: the scandal eventually led to the closure. both murdoch and his son have repeatedly said they were un,a wear of the-- unaware of the hacking going on. >>> check in with eyewitness news at 6:00. for these stories and more. >>> unthinkable crime. repeated stabbings. new at 6:00. possible actions that the worker took that may have saved the baby's life. >>> john leopold. what it has to do with the county's system. check in for these and more breaking news at 6:00. >>> one of the most successful singers on the planet has a new award for her trophy case. "people" magazine has named beyonce the world's most beautiful woman for 2012. the 30-year-old singer told the magazine, she feels more beautiful than ever since becoming a mother back in january. >> nice honor. . >> no arguing she is beautiful. >> she is. >>> still ahead. sports director mark viviano is live at camden yards. >>> orioles are going to face toronto again tonight. t

mrs. thatcher crystalized in your mind before that election. would that be right?i think all newspapers are much the same. we just come through the most terrible winter of discontent strikes, disruptions to the whole society. and i think we all wanted change. >> can i put one quote to you? it's, indeed, from you, an interview by mr. william shorecross in "time" magazine, 25th october, 1999. we needn't set it up. is you speaking. what does libertarian mean? as much responsibility as possible. as little government as possible. as few rules as possible. but i'm not saying it should be taken to the absolute limit. so is the gist of that few rules but not no rules? >> clearly there are necessary rules in a working society, but they can be overdone. >> that is the testimony of rupert murdoch. if you want to keep listening to, that then, please, just go to cnbc.com. the rupert murdoch testimony will continue. he's a fascinating man to listen to. clay h kayla has been listening as well outside in the rain outside the royal court where that's taking place. it's interesting.

mrs. thatcher, is that right? >> i never asked.ed that. >> would you have been so candid to have asked directly, would you, mr. murdoch? >> i hope not. i've never asked a prime minister for anything. >>. >> reporter: he denied acquisitions his papers gave politicians favorable coverage in return for commercial benefits. >> i do take strong pride in the fact that we would never put commercial interests in the newspapers. >> reporter: but there were recollections of serious clashes with politicians, too, like his infamous decision not to back labor prime minister gordon brown in 2009 prompted a hostile call from mr. brown? >> your company has made -- declared war on my government. and we have no alternative, but to make war on your company and i said i'm sorry, gordon. thank you for calling. >> gordon brown responded within hours describing that testimony as wrong, but the media tycoon repeatedly rejected any suggestions that all of his papers reflected his personal, political views. >> you can't say that of "the sun." >> i think we'

we know margaret thatcher was the first prime minister to employ mr. murdoch as a newcomer to this country. it was tony blair who really embraced him. he is now the godfather to one of mr. murdoch's children. he flew to australia to speak to a meeting of news international executives. then his successor, gordon brown, apparently the murdoch and the brown family is so close that their children used to play together right behind me there. rupert murdoch is furious at the impact of this public inquiry on his business, his reputation, and let's remember, on his corporate wealth as well. >> ok. that will be a very fascinating hearing. thank you so much. and in other news from around the world, the secret service scandal surrounding barack obama's visit to colombia earlier this month has seen more agents revealed resigning. that brings the number 28. -- to 8. the first criminal charges have been filed in the deepwater horizon case. and engineer has been accused of destroying evidence. it allegedly outlined how the measures to prevent the outflow of oil were

mr. murdoch was trying to buy "the times" newspapers. he went to margaret thatcher. he was presented as the man with the will to crush the trade unions. >> i did not have the will. i might have had the desire, but that took several years. >> had he asked the prime minister to support his bid? >> i never asked the prime minister for anything. >> 1997 brought a change of government to tony blair and new labor. mr. murdoch had supported tony blair in the election, but -- >> i never asked mr. blair for anything. nor did i receive any favors. >> from player to brown. mr. murdoch said that he had gotten into a -- blair to brown. mr. murdoch said that he had never gotten into a row with gordon brown, but then described this telephone call. >> he said that your company had declared war on my government and we had no alternative but to make war on your company. i said that i was sorry about that, gordon. thank you for calling. and of subjects. -- the end of subject. -- end of subject. >> in a statement tonight, mr. brown has said that mr. murdoch account is completely wrong.

thatcher's ownership of news corp. and his relationship with unions. >> it was quite an infamous occasion. one looks at the few numbers of people there and mr.actor and mr in them and you and the meeting was that your request. you see that? >> i hope you don't mind if i tease you about this. when you told the select committee on the nineteenth of july that he wished politicians would leave you alone, you were at this meeting. what we see -- >> from the company, the likelihood of a >>> of ownership. it was quite appropriate. >> that was probable and one outcome, might have closed the title if you couldn't sell them. there were two purposes. one was to give your thoughts about what is described here as the embryonic and developing reason administration. do you see that in paragraph 2? >> i think it shows at least the conversation, time taken up by american politics. >> in this way president-elect reagan and you were on the same page politically. weren't you? >> i guess. this was just before his inauguration. >> is it part of the purpose of this meeting, to talk psychologically, demonstrates how much you were, quote, one of us. was that part of

thatcher. he denied he ever requested anything in return though they were interested in meeting him, including from former prime minister tony blair, who he backed. >> i in ten years never asked mrr for anything. nor did receive any favors. if you want to check that, you can call him. >> not to say things were always chummy between murdock and leaders here, including former labor prime minister gordon brown who murdock claims said this after hearing he wouldn't endorsed by murdock's sun newspaper. >> he said well, your company has made, declared war on my government. we have no alternative but to make war on your company. >> they've closed "news of the world" newspaper that triggered this inquiry, murdock had this to say. >> i don't believe in using hacking or using private detectives or whatever. that is a lazy way of reporters not doing their job. >> he is going to appear before second and final day tomorrow. in london, carl paladino, fox news. >> bret: nato says two service members have been killed in separate attacks in southern afghanistan over the past two days. commanders say two others died in the same period from non-battle injuries. we don't have names or nationalities