okay, seeing none, then ms. amini you have three minutes of rebuttal. >> mr. michelle did refer to the fact that it's taken them a long time, they did have pre-op meeting on february 20, 2013, they submitted their permit in june of 2013 as well, then it was seen by planning in december of 13 and passed through the case plan per in like a couple of days, then it went to historic and environmental review, i had no block notification in that view even though i had consecutive coverage for many years and i didn't delay any of that, that was taken up by all the planning activity. i heard nothing from project holders until i found a note -- well, i found out in may of 14 because i thought i just wanted to know what was happening with the permit, i hadn't heard a thing so then i tried to get a hold of the planner, the planner didn't respond to me. i got a note in my box on may 15th of 2014 saying let's talk, there have been many change, i responded the same day put a note in the box and i got a call back about five days later saying, oh you know, it's -- sorry this i