ms. applebaum said. she said and i tried to write it down putin's russia does not want to be part of our system any longer. i think she said that. it's a strange statement because, first of all and i promise you this and you can go to it in english and read every major speech putin has given. he is on his knees pleading to be part of the west and lamenting that he's been driven to the west. don't west. don't put your hands up gary, i would not come here and lie to you. read his last six or seven speeches on the ukrainian crisis. there is one other thing, russia was never part of our system. i said facts not opinion. the fact is, and ms. applebaum admitted this, nato expansion excluded russia from the post soviet union of security. they were security. they were included. how could they want to be part of a system they were not made a part of. [applause]. >> ladies and gentlemen, it's no doubt it has been a very confusing evening. you have just heard two radical accounts of russia. you have heard on one si

ms. applebaum wrote a column recently.t was the fo's of the column which said we should rattle our nuclear weapons. when people start talking like that, and she echoed that column here today, i think we know we are in dangerous territory. i would go even further than pozner and say, we are in a new cold war and it is potentially more dangerous than the last one. this is where the nuclear weapons come in. the epicenter of the last cold war was in berlin. this one is in the ukraine. imagine the possibilities for provocation. secondly, this is really worry some, during the last cold war the great powers developed a series of rules of conduct. hot phones, hot lines, constant discussion, meetings. this is a fact. this happened over 40 years. there are no rules of conduct in this new cold war. that is why anything can happen. a third reason is, there's no opposition in the united states. there was a lot of opposition before. you will remember that one of the great achievements of ragan and gorbachev was to eliminate -- and the o

ms. applebaum wrote a column recently. i don't think she put the head on it, but it was the ethos of the column which essentially said we should rattle our nuclear weapons. and when people start talking like that and she echoed that column here today, i think we know we're in dangerous territory. i would go even farther in alarm than posnor, and i would say we are in a new cold war by whatever name, and it's potentially more dangerous than the last one. this is where the nuclear weapons come in. for several reasons. because the epicenter of the last cold war was in berlin. this one is in ukraine right on russia's borders. so imagine the possibilities for provocation, mistakes and all the rest. secondly, and this one really worries me. during the last cold war 40 years, the great powers developed a series of rules of conduct, hot phones, hotlines, constant discussion meetings that kept us safe. this is a fact. i mean this happened over 40 years. there are no rules of conduct yet in this new cold war. and that's why anything

ms. applebaum is right absolutely not. the result will be worse.s is for russians to decide, not for us. what's for us to decide is whether we need a partner in russia, whether it's putin or his successor. i would end with this point i do not ever recall and i've been around a long time, ever hearing people whom ms. applebaum represent speaking like this personally of a soviet communist leader. in fact when i listen to them i have to say, there is a nostalgia for the soviet union and a vendetta against putin's russia. with whom we cooperated for our security. >> when you were given your first introduction i wrote down opec oppressed soviet union nostalgia. you talked about when it was there and it could help regulate the world. i have no nostalgia for the cold war. half war. half of europe was in slave during the cold war. totalitarian ruled hundreds of millions of people. you have you have this idea that once again if only the u.s. and russia could work together we could create some stability. this russia is not a country that want stability. they

ms. applebaum wrote a column recently. i don't think she put the head on it but the ethos of the column essentially said we should rattle on nuclear weapons. when people start talking like that when she echoed that on-air today, i think i think we know we are in dangerous territory. i would i would go even farther in alarm and say we are in a new cold war by whatever name, name command it is potentially more dangerous than the last one's. this is where the nuclear weapons come in. for several reasons. the epicenter of the last cold war was in berlin. this one is in ukraine right on russia's border. imagine the possibilities for publication, mistakes to my know the rest. secondly, and this is really worrisome during the last cold war 40 years, the great powers developed a series of rules of conduct hot phones, hotlines, constant discussion i kept us safe. this is a fact. this happened. there are no rules of conduct a. that is why anything can happen. a 3rd reason is there is no opposition. there was a lot of opposition befo

ms. applebaum would mention his ukraine. it's entirely pudas ball. the west is not responsible.he first time in modern history that one side is entirely made no mistakes. leave ukraine to another debate if you wish. i want to end up by pointing out what word ukraine has cost us in terms of national security. it's losing us a security partner in the kremlin. not just putin but perhaps generations or years to come. it is splitting europe against american leadership and possibly undermining the transatlantic alliance and having plunged us into a new cold war is bring us closer to an actual war with nuclear russia than we have been since the cuban missile crisis. these are the facts. [applause] >> garry kasparov your six minutes please. >> thank you very much. i am here in this audience not as just a neighbor of mr. cohen because we both live on the west side of new york which was not my first choice but a patriot of my country russia. i don't feel very comfortable arguing against the resolution because my dream from the early days when i was a kid traveling the road playing under t