once,t, ms. baker told me she says, and they're waiting for you charles, you know, they're waiting for you. have to go in there and make them and it doesn't take a great deal of effort as turns out. they made our way to us more than we made our way to them. it's one of the great, great that is valuable today f you want to talk about movement. you know, the tradition of the movement, i want to say this by all, israpping up after a tradition of community grassroots.t the that's an old tradition. it's not something that was 1960's. in the it was not something that was post-world war ii era. it goes all the way back to the africans the first were offloaded on to american into this strange land and sold into slavery. believe me, they were not marching in protest on the blocks and they were not holding sittins at the dining room nor table seeking a seat at the table. doing?re they they were organizing struggles, revolt, sabotage, assassination. they were organizing. that tradition of community we encountered

tom: ms. baker, i go to you, the tension with kiev seems to be rudy giuliani versus sort of business as usual with john bolton. how in god's name did the former of new york city doing in and around national security director john bolton? stephanie: well, as we understand, bolton was not happy sort ofdy giuliani's freelancing in ukraine, as it were, but, you know, i think the danger here is that, you know, what trump has succeeded in doing is elevating this story, and in cable news, the two words that are being repeated are " biden corruption," "biden theretion," even though is absolutely no evidence that joe biden did anything, is responsible for any kind of wrongdoing or acted in a corrupt way in any shape or form. and i think that is the danger that democrats face, is that this allegation will be repeated, will be front-page news, and if people are not paying attention, all they will do is associate biden with corruption, even if it is an unsubstantiated allegation. francine: stephanie, thank you