ms. bartel, are pension is archaic? a number of fighting with unions trying to get the pensions overturned. >> are pension archaic? oh my goodness. >> unions won't like that one will they? >> no, no. after all we have a whole social security system that are federal pension. a lot of detroiters are not recipients of social security. >> ms. long what does a recovery look like? >> recovery will have they have services in place, they have good fire, police, parks, schools, that would be a great recovery for detroit and hopefully all this effort through the bankruptcy process will get detroit to that place. >> no doubt respective leaders, ms. bartel what have we learned from detroit's historic bankruptcy? >> we've learned that even a city as great as detroit as big as detroit, as -- with so many creditors as detroit, can go through bankruptcy, can go through bankruptcy relatively quickly and we hope can emerge a much stronger financial and attractive municipality for people to liver in. >> i think we all agree we would like