ms. bickett. >> mr. chief justice, and may it please the court -- arizona's tuition tax credit does not violate the establishment clause, because it's a neutral law that results in scholarship programs of private choice. it's neutral because, like the tax deduction that the court upheld in mueller, it's one of many tax-saving devices, including some other credits that are available to arizona taxpayers on a neutral basis. >> ms. bickett, could you explain something to me just -- i have been puzzling and puzzling over this scheme. can you tell me why arizona adopted this sort of scheme rather than the more typical tuition voucher scheme? in other words tuition voucher schemes the state just gives the voucher or scholarship or what have you. this is so much more complicated and complex and unusual. and it just left me wondering why it was chosen or what the state thinks the advantages of it are now? >> yes, justice kagan. one of the things that is true in arizona that was not true in ohio is that under the

ms. bickett, could you explain something to me -- i have been puzzling and puzzling over this scheme. can you tell me why arizona adopted this sort of scheme rather than the more typical tuition voucher in other words tuition voucher schemes steep the vulture with a scholarship or what have you this is so much more complicated than complex and unusual and just left me wondering why it was chosen or will the state thinks the advantages of our of it now. >> yes, justice kagan. one of the things that is true in arizona but was not true in ohio is that under the arizona constitution the direct aid to private schools is prohibited. the other thing about the tax credit program is that it does encourage contribution not only from parents but from the community at large, and this them provides money for low-income students for, students with low-income -- >> does it show the extent to which the nation's people who do not have students? >> could you -- >> does the record show the extent to which there are these additional donations that you just referred to? >> your honor, of course it was at