ms. bingen: one of the challenges here is physics. satellites go in pretty predictable orbit. any potential adversary with a science or engineering degree will know where those satellites will be and there are many avenues for them to pursue them. they are fragile. they move in predictable orbit. there are -- there is nothing we can do to protect that. we're leveraging our allies and partners to provide greater intelligence sharing. we're also looking at other nonspace alternatives. so we're doing things across the board to try to address some of those vulnerabilities. mr. martin: general hyten has said he would not support buying any more big satellites hich make juicy targets. leanne, how do you make smaller tellites without giving up capability? ms. caret: i want to say thank you for allowing industry to have a role on this panel. it's an extremely important topic. as much as we understand this, i think there are a lot of folks don't understand space is part of the core what we do every day, from the mundane task to national security. this conversation is larger than any on