ms. brent holley's position about what may or may not constitution the -- a protected vista in an urban environment. so, if you could just respond to that and describe planning department's position. >> good afternoon, supervisors. tara jones environment review officer. [speaker not understood] one is blockage of a scenic view or vista. those scenic views or vistas are called out in the urban design element of our general plan. that is one document that we use for guidance on this subject. and this is -- this particular view that has been described verbally by the appellant does not rise to that level. there is also the possibility of substantial demonstrable adverse effect on the visual quality or character of the surroundings. in this case, this is pretty typical urban setting. it's a very mixed architectural character. and there's no demonstrable evidence that the addition as proposed would rise to the level of a substantial adverse demonstrable effect on this existing setting. >> thank you. and then in terms of -- i think it appears to be undisputed that the subject property at 61 1 buena vista