ms. bueller, i want to start with you.nued stonewalling of access to documents, what kind of harm -- potential harm can you see that would come from this specifically with your work? >> well, in our case, we do have the memorandum of understanding. so we are somewhat receiving information, but the problem with that is, it's a temporary measure and we can't rely on it being there because it can be taken away at any time. if we don't receive access to the information that we need, we can't ensure the volunteers who have been victims of sexual assault are receiving the types of care and services that they need and are entitled to in order for them to move on with their lives. >> so is it your testimony today that victims might potentially continue to suffer if you don't get the kind of access to documents that is outlined in the memo of understanding, but if they quit providing that, could victims continue to be harmed? >> we'll never be able to tell. that's the big problem. we won't be able to tell whether or not the agency

ms. bueller. >> i agree with my esteem colleague. from our perspective, we've had an agency issue opinions or issue policies and procedures specifically stating that we can't have access to something, so it's very difficult for me to understand how it's not a problem. and i think the fact that 47 other i.g.s have at one time or another, maybe not all the time, but one time or another had problems should be an indicator that there is a problem. >> well, thank you. again, i appreciate the great work that we do and look forward to hearing from you further. yield back.

ms. bueller. >> i agree with my esteem colleague. from our perspective, we've had an agency issue opinions or issue policies and procedures specifically stating that we can't have access to something, so it's very difficult for me to understand how it's not a problem. and i think the fact that 47 other i.g.s have at one time or another, maybe not all the time, but one time or another had problems should be an indicator that there is a problem. >> well, thank you. again, i appreciate the great work that we do and look forward to hearing from you further. yield back. >> thanks, gentleman. i recognize the gentleman from pennsylvania, mr. cartwright. >> thank you, mr. their man. thank you for the inspectors appearing today. as the committee has previously highlighted, the offices of inspectors general are essential to the efficiency of our federal government. they help hold agencies accountable identifying misconduct in programs and by personnel. they can highlight the whole amount of waste, fraud and abuse guaranteeing that american tax