ms. carson spoke. he said we are going to look into this problem, especially in light of ms. carson's book. what's interesting is 1962, no further introduction was needed. rachel carson, the celebrated author of three books about the ocean, beautiful, lyrical books that were these wonderful transforming experiences for readers. carson had only taken science and translating it to beautiful narrative that everybody could relate to and so she'd become one of america's most celebrated a beloved authors in the silent spring turned a very different direction. "silent spring" is a disturbing book, a worrisome book to point that what we were doing to ourselves by the careless use of pesticides in many different places. since it's not 1962 anymore, i thought i would explain more for you about who rachel carson was. she was born in 1907 in the house in springfield, pennsylvania. when a person was born in the upstairs bedroom of the house, at the time did not have the addition on the brick inside. very simple, very modest house, four runs. two downstairs and two bedrooms upstairs. there

ms. carson was discovered facts of what happened.it was underneath was the cndp have established for years disability to export illegally and extract natural resources and ensure political and security interests of the state ever wondered. when president kabila tried to redeployed out of that region, which would undermine the proxy control, the rebellion immediately occurred to us they couldn't allow that to happen. for one and support comes pouring in. they change the acronyms of the same group. there's a lack of any domestic constituency that the m23 half. nevertheless, the result is the same. or allowing dose of powerful proxies to profit for destabilization. >> just a couple points. i think the disco is not part of the problem. just like rwanda in the sense that part of the challenge when we look at congo is a lot of people discover congo existed way before that. those of us who were born there and grew up their newly country to work spirits when we go to congo today come we don't append the country. that does not mean people are

ms. bass. >> thank you, ambassador carson. i want to change the subject a little bit and wanted to ask if you could speak to some of the background of the m23. i mean, i do understand, you know, when they started and why, but i just wanted to know if you had any further insight as to what their ultimate aim is. what's the motivation for them to continue. and also the idea, you mentioned that there wouldn't be impunity to the commanders of the m23 to be reintegrated back into the drc's armed forces, but how do you reintegrate any of them? how big is the m23? how many soldiers are there? >> let me speak to the first question of aim and motivation. i believe that the current group of m23 rebels want to be able to maintain themselves as consolidated military units in the eastern part of the drc. i think they see themselves as guardians of the tutsi population in the east. i suspect that some of them have political ambitions and would seek to try to be able to be the top officials in local administrations in the, in the east. beyon

ms. dory. if, as secretary carson said, military discontent with the government support was a major contributing factor to the coup, then the military will be a major contributor -- contributing factor to how successful an election is going to be. in your testimony you say there's a sunogo is in charge of the reform of the military for the interim government. do you know his capabilities and whether he's capable of pulling off the type of support that it would take to bring the military together to support an election? >> captain sunogo as a field grade officer is certainly capable of -- in terms of the activities that he's already caused of creating a difficult condition by mobilizing others to support a coup. whether he's capable of leading the difficult efforts to restructure an institution and to mobilize the resources that will be required, i would say that i question that at this point. >> thank you very much. that's all my questions. thank you for your testimony, to all of you. >> i'd like to thank our first panel, i'm mindful of the time and we have a four-member second panel, senator is

ms. dory. if, as secretary carson said, military discontent with the government support was a major contributing factor to the coup, then the military will be a major contributor -- contributing factor to how successful an election is going to be. in your testimony you say there's a sunogo is in charge of the reform of the military for the interim government. do you know his capabilities and whether he's capable of pulling off the type of support that it would take to bring the military together to support an election? >> captain sunogo as a field grade officer is certainly capable of -- in terms of the activities that he's already caused of creating a difficult condition by mobilizing others to support a coup. whether he's capable of leading the difficult efforts to restructure an institution and to mobilize the resources that will be required, i would say that i question that at this point. >> thank you very much. that's all my questions. thank you for your testimony, to all of you. >> i'd like to thank our first panel, i'm mindful of the time and we have a four-member second panel, senator is