ms. conrad, why don't you take eight minutes? ms. conrad: justice kagan, i want to address your hypothetical, in this case, if the risk from using the land if petitioners of -- the drug, if petitioners are correct. it will manifest itself in unconstitutional pain and suffering. my friend admitted that. if, in fact, a person is burned alive and did not have appropriate anesthesia it would be unconstitutional. justice kagan: my question was if the person was burned alive and we did not know if they had appropriate anesthesia, would that be unconstitutional? ms. conrad: it would be. the district court below found that there is a greater risk of using the drug but found it was unquantifiable. if that risk manifests itself there will be a constitutionally intolerable execution. the drug formula issue was using sodium benzo. justice alito: if they rendered version and completely unconscious and then burned alive, would that be cruel and unusual? ms. conrad: i think the problem is not rendering someone unconscious. the problem is is it neces