ms. delauro: i will just say, you were talking about the effects. it is about growth and development. there's wonderful material which we sent out to our colleagues from dr. deborah frank who talks about, you know, what happens to children, what happens -- it is concentrating but it is their ability to grow, to develop, you know, to be physically well. and the cost of dealing with, you know, what happens to the health issues, only adds to our health care costs. i'm of the view, if you can't deal with the humanity, let's deal with the economics of this. and the studies, the studies are so clear about what happens with the absence of food, particularly with children. mr. mcgovern: i would say to the gentlelady that, the point she raises -- the points she raises are very, very important. because the health of our children should be first and foremost. and we are now experiencing this country, a record level of obesity. and there is a tie-in between food insecurity and hunger and obesity. people who are struggling in poverty do not have the resources to be able to buy nutritious food. sometimes they live in food deserts and rely basically on food items that just kind