first of all, ms. doan. an expenditure that rises about 300% for the public building commissioners expenditures from 2.9 million $2.9 million to $9 that raise any flags to you? the 300% increase? actually it was about -- two years. >> that was about 3/2 of 2009. the republic buildings, it says administration and personnel costs, does that raise any flags? are you aware of a request that i have and our committees have in, we sent it to mr. foley to give us a break down of the administrative class. i only became a ware of it as the pu the public building -- so you're the chief financial officer and of course in my opening statement, i describe what was sent to us and we'll see why there wasn't much detail so much now. mr. miller, well, first of all, susan britta, you asked that this conference took place in october 2010. and november shortly thereafter, you asked a review for a review, is that correct? it looks like a preliminary briefing was not done until may of 2011. all of this was not made public until tw

my goodness, ms. doan. why do you need a conference for that?ve internet and e-mails and telephone conferences? why do you have to have conferences to begin with? >> gregg, you have to take that up with the current gsa management which allowed this to go completely out of control. gregg: but you had conferences too. >> we did not have conferences at this price. our conferences --. gregg: you had of site conferences. i don't want to be argumentative here. >> great. gregg: i've never been to a off site conference in my life. if we want to have conference and share ideas and strategies, we get together or get on the telephone or we send each other e-mails. it would be better for taxpayers to do that, didn't it. >> we did that during the bush administration. it was a conference it was outward reaching conference. reaching out to small businesses trying to help them find ways to create new jobs and grow this economy. it was in the designed for personal aggrandizement which is what we see. there is more important thing, gregg, we have to look at. that