ms. eshoo, referred to national public radio as a national treasure. now, mr. speaker, i happen to be a fan of national public radio. i think that the term national treasure may just be a little bit of a stretch. i have been proud to support three local stations. two in los angeles, kpcc and kcrw, here in washington d.c., wamu. i have been proud to participate in pledge drives for all these stations. i have done it for public television. i believe in voluntary contributions. yesterday, ms. eshoo said every american pays 77 cents for the benefit of national public radio. and while i'm proud listener of national public radio, i will say that i reckon that there are probably half the american people, that's just a wild guess on my part, maybe half the american people who have never even heard of, much less even listened to national public radio. and the notion of taking 77 cents from them for national public radio is to me an anathema to the whole concept of what it is that we are trying to do as a nation. now, my friend from rochester, the distinguished ranking member of the committee, the fo