ms. laurie ferber? >> i'm scheduled to meet with them on april 6? he record show all three said no. you all indicated that you got the investors should get their money back. ms. laurie ferber, what do you think the odds are that they will get their money back or mac. >> we have no basis to answer that. >> ms. serwinski? i don't know. it depends on whether or not the people -- >> mr. steenkamp? >> it is early in the bankruptcy process. that is why we are trying to work and maximize it. >> who you think is most at fault for investors losing money from an account that was supposed to be segregated? mr. steenkamp? >> sir, because i don't know what actually happened, it is hard to answer that question. >> ms. serwinski? >> can you repeat the question, sir? >> ms. laurie ferber? >> ali said there was a turbo failure here of some kind. what it was, i don't know. the trustees have controlled all information since october 31? a good analogy is it a casino does not provide credit, once the gambler's chips are gone, you have to stop playing. you cannot reach ov