ms. fleming, can i ask you a question? when mr.sanchez put up the graph, i did not happen to notice what was no. and what was south. what is the attitude of your backyard? your backyard faces which way? >> oh boy. it is a northwest, the backyard. commissioner garcia: so the sun comes up northwest over their property or away from their property? >> away from their property. commissioner garcia: away from their property and northwest, so south is to the front of your house. >> that is right. and as i said, that one photo, that has the shade on my roses. commissioner fung: it affects the afternoon sun coming out. >> if i may add something, scott sanchez, planning department's staff. i would like to put on the overhead a parcel map that has the no. aero. the shaded property is the permit holder's property. the appellant is on the adjacent block. that is why they do not show on this. but it is directly to the south. i think it would probably be more the afternoon sun that would be impacted, especially more so in the wintertime when the

ms. fleming offered to pay for an alteration. for you all to discuss that, you have two weeks to do that, and what this board would like is if you would come back and present to us a compromise that was reached and we were not required to have any more deliberation or get overly involved over neighbor issues. commissioner fung: if there is no compromise accepted, we will have to deal with it. vice president goh: two weeks is november 3, and we have something like 12 cases. november 17 we have 10, and i think a couple of those are big ones, right? i mean, we can put it to two weeks, but we are continuing a case to a very late night and we could also just take a vote and see where we land. commissioner garcia: why don't we give you the holidays to mull it over? president peterson: while ms. fleming is living with the shadow of lawn? commissioner garcia: we are going into the wintertime. we are trying to help you out. we have upset the permit holder and i think the permit holder is asking the commission -- president peterson: i want

ms. fleming's property. now, this is the height of the fence. we did measure this and the fans tight is actually from about 8 feet and 11 inches. that is important because according to the san francisco planning code, we are allowed a fences up to 10 feet high. that is article 1.2. it says that you can have a fence of no higher than 10 feet in the backyard. we feel that we are well within that limit, of course we took measurements. we have no personal issues with miss fleming at all. we find her to be quite pleasant. given that the height of the censuses in the standard, we feel that we should be allowed to keep defense the way that it is and it does offer some privacy that we desire. >> it did you consider other designs instead of the pine? >> no, we liked the look of the fence and which understand that some of the sense is there but not all of the fence has that. on the other side of the property, this is about 8 foot tall on their side and there is maybe a 6 inch latticed there. >> let's assume that you are correct, is there any value to comp