ms. garvey. you were talking about the process of the difficult policy discussions that have to take place, and you made a statement about making that more transparent. could you be more specific about what you mean by making it more transparent? since that does seem to fly in the face of the sausage-making comment that your colleague just made. >> right, right. well, i think, i think when you're laying out a number of those options, it's very good to have the stakeholders in in whatever form is available, lots of forms available with the faa, i mean, the airlines certainly care a lot about that, manufacturers care a lot about that, airports care a lot about that, the consumers care a great deal about that. i think there are lots of opportunities and there should be opportunities to really lay out these are the options. maybe all the debating doesn't occur in the public, but certainly laying out those options so people do understand. and first and foremost, i think it's discussions as others have

ms. garvey. you were talking about the process of the difficult policy discussions that have to take place. you made a statement about making that more transparent. could you be more specific about what you mean by making it more more transparent sense that this had to fly in the face of the sausage making comments that your colleague just made. >> right. i think when you're laying out numbers is very good to have the stakeholders in whatever form available. there are lots of forms available with the faa and airlines certainly care a lot about that. manufactures care a lot about that in the airports care a lot about that. but consumers care a great deal about that. i think there are a lot of a lot of opportunities and there should be opportunities to layout the options. certainly laying out those options of people to understand and first and foremost i think discussions as others have said here with congress so there really is a full understanding of what are the trade-offs? sometimes that is mis

ms. garvey.ou were talking about the process of the difficult policies discussions that have to take place. it made a statement of making that more transparent. could you be more specific on what you mean by more transparent? s opposed to the sausage making comment your colleague just made? >> right. a great deal carry about that. there are lots of opportunities. there should be opportunities to lay out the options. laying out those options so people do understand. first and foremost, i think it is the discussion that others have said here with congress so that there really is a full understanding of what are the trade-offs? sometimes people are not clear on exactly what the trade-offs are and what the considerations hat an agency is giving. given to certain decisions. i think you can do that in a pretty transparent way. >> i think we have time for two more questions. >> bryan alexander. i'm writing a dissertation. [laughter] i have been following these discussions for a long time. many hosted by