ms. garza, i'd like to pick up on something director davis referred to, the democratization of justice. can we talk a little bit about how we can do a better job incorporating the voices of most impacted voices of community members genuinely into this debate? how can we -- what do you suggest we do to make that happen? >> absolutely. so i think the first thing that's really important is to answer this question that mr. davis put forward which is what is the purpose and intent of policing. and, you know, from one perspective you could say that the purpose and intent of policing is to solve problems, right? and from another perspective you could say that the purpose and intent of policing is to, is to incarcerate people, right? to criminalize, to strip people of their rights and also to punish. and i think what we're seeing right now is a movement that's trying to push more towards the question of how do we solve problems and are police mess for that. necessary for that. that's an honest question

ms. garza, i'd like to pick up on something director davis referred to, the democratization of justice. can we talk a little bit about how we can do a better job incorporating the voices of most impacted voices of community members genuinely into this debate? how can we -- what do you suggest we do to make that happen? >> absolutely. so i think the first thing that's really important is to answer this question that mr. davis put forward which is what is the purpose and intent of policing. and, you know, from one perspective you could say that the purpose and intent of policing is to solve problems, right? and from another perspective you could say that the purpose and intent of policing is to, is to incarcerate people, right? to criminalize, to strip people of their rights and also to punish. and i think what we're seeing right now is a movement that's trying to push more towards the question of how do we solve problems and are police mess for that. necessary for that. that's an honest question