ms. gillan, dr. rosekind has said publicly that nhtsa's diligent in pursuing automakers for safety defects is why recalls have gone up. perhaps that is partly the case. some have suggested that because of the recent high profile recalls the industry is more willing to go to recall faster to get ahead of the story. what, in your view, is causing the rise in recalls, and do you agree with dr. rosekind's assessment? >> well, i think, you know, as i said in my testimony we supported legislation which removed the cap on civil penalties, we supported criminal penalties. i mean, i think that you had gm, takata and vw feeling that they could ignore the law and produce cars that were faced with these defects and pretty much just faced a fine that's a slap on the wrist. it's contributing to the problem. and i think that while, you know, i support what nhtsa's doing in trying to accelerate the consumers repairing their vehicles, i mean, i think that we need a tough cop on the beat. and i think that, you know, w

ms. gillan placated be based upon factors such as texting, for example? i'll give you an actual response. every day i drive to work. it takes me about an hour. as a focus on my driving i like to see what the other guys doing and see a lot of folks looking down at their home -- at the phone. if you watch people more often than not. >> i see one in the hallways of congress. >> it involves people a generation younger than uri. bumping into me as their texting and not looking where there going. if you would like to respond >> we need to attack this problem. looking at improving the behavior of the driver. we just put out this report. however, the other part of the equation is also the issue of driving safer cars. the former president of mad said, the best defense against a drunk driver is a safe car. the problem is, we have seen the people are getting two or three notices. >> thank you. my time is expiring. >> the chair thanks the gentleman. >> members -- in february the center for auto safety file lawsuit alleging the department of transportation failure. >>