ms. gilligan, if faa fulfills those things that ms. gilligan talked about, that will go a long way, but i think sort of key to this is something that mr. defazio said about looking at this anti-deficiency law and seeing is there a way that, you know, funds could be made available to pay for research or support research at the test sites, and also in terms of the idea that we only have six test sites, i mean, our information suggests that in canada, for example, they are ready to designate a very large air space up to 18,000 feet for testing beyond visual line of sight. so perhaps as we move towards the next stage of this, that not only additional test sites and a maximum use of the current ones that we again think in terms of risk-based approach to it. >> thank you. thank you. mr. chairman. >> mr. perry. >> thank you, mr. chairman. i appreciate the opportunity to question. i don't sit on the subcommittee, but i have a great interest in it. from the context of safety juxtaposed with the industry and the things that we're missing out on,

ms. gilligan, if faa fulfills those things that ms. gilligan talked about, that will go a long way, but i think sort of key to this is something that mr. defazio said about looking at this anti-deficiency law and seeing is there a way that, you know, funds could be made available to pay for research or support research at the test sites, and also in terms of the idea that we only have six test sites, i mean, our information suggests that in canada, for example, they are ready to designate a very large air space up to 18,000 feet for testing beyond visual line of sight. so perhaps as we move towards the next stage of this, that not only additional test sites and a maximum use of the current ones that we again think in terms of risk-based approach to it. >> thank you. thank you. mr. chairman. >> mr. perry. >> thank you, mr. chairman. i appreciate the opportunity to question. i don't sit on the subcommittee, but i have a great interest in it. from the context of safety juxtaposed with the industry and the things that we're missing out on,

ms. gilligan. looking to the future, do you see a time when the finishing aa will have an assistant director, and if not, why, and what do you think the faa's doing to prepare for this change? >> we believe that unmanned systems, like many of the other technologies we've brought into the system over the years, we do believe there will be full integration and that will be handled within the structure we currently have. we do not see a need at this point for a separate organization because, again, we need to make sure that the aircraft itself in those systems are integrated in both design and manufacture with the aviation system and that the operations are integrated with the operation of the rest of the aviation system. so that's the approach that we're pursuing. >> thank you. mr. chairman, i yield back. >> thank you. mr. to -- okita. >> i thank the chair for the indulgence. i have six pages of notes here which, for me, is kind of an all-time record, so i can tell i'm going to hate being on this com

ms. gilligan, you mentioned that a rule would be coming out short ly and mr. hampton you've documented the ways that we're kind of behind schedule. i understand that things rarely go according to schedule whether you're in the private sector or the public sector, but when you say a rule is going to be coming out shortly, to quote a colleague, is that in a geological time scale or an internet speed? >> the proposal is under executive review at this point sir, so i really can't tell you exactly what the timeframe is. but, as i said, all of us who are involved in the project understand how important it is to get this out as quickly as we can now. >> i would be remiss in my oversight responsibility here if i didn't get a date or some kind of commitment at this hearing so that when we're at the next hearing, we can measure progress toward that. what are some of your goals in the next year? >> well, for the rulemaking the department of transportation has a public website which shows the rules scheduled for release by the end of this year. once the rule is released i

ms. peggy gilligan to associate a ministry for aviation safety for the federal aviation administration, such all things the uas. mr. matthew hampton, assistant inspector general for aviation audits for the u.s. department of transportation, office of the inspector general. dr. gerald dillingham, director of civil aviation issues for the u.s. government accountability office. captain lee moak was president of air line pilots association. mr. jesse kallman, head of business development and regulatory affairs for air where. dr. nicholas roy, and ms. gilligan, you are recognized to we welcome your remarks. >> thank you, chairman lobiondo, for the opportunity to appear before the subcommittee to discuss unmanned aircraft systems, or what we know as the uas. in the faa modernization reform act congress mandated the safe and efficient integration of uas international airspace system. administered aware to in announcing his initiatives identified integration of uas and commercial space operations in to the nass as one of the stoppers and we're working hard to meet those mandates. in the act of congr

ms. gilligan about on the test sites, air worthiness representatives.you designate one for nevada test site. what about the others and is that something that test sites need to request or is faa trying to conclude that they ought to have these? >> we've offered that as a tool, a technique for the test sites to be able to expand attracting industry into those locations, and so we did it in nevada. we've offered the training to all the test sites. they've not yet offered a candidate to that training. they're ready whenever they're training. after the training, the designee needs to demonstrate they'll have the skill that will be done with one of our engineers. after that the designee will be able to actually approve the operation of the vehicle for the test sites. we think that will help to expand the attraction for industry to come to those test sites. >> this is an oda model essentially? >> at this point it's individual designees. it's not necessary to be an organizational designation because there's not that level of demand. certainly if the demand exp