ms. goaman. she'll love that. >> where did that come from?> you know, when you tell people, you know, i'm depressed, you know, there is -- there's a lot of people who don't believe that depression is a real thing, and i get it. i mean, i definitely was kind of in that school of thought too. again, if are you dees dee pressed, then you're not trying hard enough, you're not doing enough of the things that you should do to make yourself happy. and so when people would say that, oh, gee, why didn't i think of that, of course like i'll totally go out and do more of the things i want. you're not listening. i'm having a hard time even wanting to do anything. >> remind people we're talking about a brain disease here, something we now have more evidence than ever objective evidence of what is happening in the brain. this isn't anecdotal. it isn't subjective. it is real. i'm so glad that you came on the show, and i'm glad that you talked about it. >> thank you so much for having me. >> i hope everyone will have a chance to read that blog. it will make