ms. greenberg, do you have a view on that? >> sure. senator sullivan, i think and we think a good record -- working definition of junk fees is unnecessary or surprising charges. >> so, professor, his point, mandatory, do you think that is a good one? >> the example i used in my testimony is a mandatory resort fee that you're presented with when you check out of a hotel. it could be $35. i've seen them as high as $75, for services you did not use or internet service, in some cases. the swimming pool, the fitness center. they are required. i'm one of those consumers who always asks the hotel to take it off my bill. they consider them mandatory, and you have no choice. no they're not disclosed up front. you cannot do a comparison shop when you shop for hotel. >> the white house has been talking about this. we want to make sure we get it right as well. they often tout the junk fee issue as -- in the context of fighting inflation. my view is they have a whole host of other areas where they can fight inflation, right? maybe not driving up en

ms. greenberg, do you have any b1 that? >> i think, and we think that a good working definition of junk fees is unnecessary, unavoidable, or surprising charges. >> so to professor zywicki 's point, mandatory? >> the example that i used my testimony is a mandatory resort fee that you are presented with when you check out of the hotel. $35. i have seen them as high as $75. that is for services you have not used, or for internet service, in some cases, the swimming pool, the fitness center. they are required. and the consumer will ask, take it off my bill. they consider the mandatory. they are not disclosed up front, so you cannot comparison shop when you are looking for a hotel room. >> let me ask, you know, the white house has been talking about this. we want to make sure that we get it right as well. they often tout the junk fee issue, in the context of fighting inflation. but my view is they have a whole host of other areas where they can really fight inflation. maybe not driving up energy costs on american families. the f