ms. gunders if there's anything i've learned from his job as a schoolteacher maslow's hierarchy.appeal to the bottom of the hierarchy and then they will eventually self-actualized through this is the right thing to do to save the planet and it saves those types of things that are we getting at the heart of the things that can made a difference and is the food labeling one of those in productivity to view some of your points. you talked about the data which it think it's incredible what you have been able to do to gather data. nmap the last one to you ms. aviv. how do usda food inspectors in direct with food banks are large-scale because i have fantastic once a minnesota that use an incredible field to plate type of thing. i know that's brought in general but the rest of the countries catching up where all of you are at. there are win, win, wins in this. these are one of the issues that are incredibly positive economic or healthwise reducing government spending on things that all this want to see done. i will leave my last two minutes for some points on that. i know it's very gene

ms. gunders said, trying to increase the consumption of fruits and vegetables would be a big help. >> yes, ma'am? >> maybe our experience in other areas might be helpful here. we have a program that focuses on foods to encourage and our experience is that even though we might think that there are a whole range of foods grains and produce and proteins that are healthy and good for folks to eat it doesn't mean necessarily that they will lean into it if their life experience was different. and we have learned from the work that our food banks and pantries have been doing is that the way in which it's presented, the way in which it's talked about, the way in which it's approached makes a big difference. simply putting it on the plate, if kids have not seen it before and adults for that matter, won't get us to where we want to go. but an education effort, encouragement, presentation makes a big difference. it's also true for people who walk into supermarkets when it's beautifully presented they lean into it and want to do it. we need to apply it also in this area. >> indeed. just as an aside i

ms. gunders you did this right and if anything i've learned from this job as a school teacher, too, maslow's hierarchy, appeal to the bottom of the hierarchy first, how it impacts their safety, pocketbook and things like that then they'll eventually self actualize this is the right thing to do, it saves the planet saves those types of things are we he getting at the heart of the things that is making a difference is the food labeling one of them and maybe throw it out to each of you for your points on this. mr. fink you talked about the data which i think is incredible what you've been able to do to gather data on this. but i think it's very hard. maybe the last one to you, ms. aviv, how did usa food inspectors interact with food banks and some of these on large exiles. i've got fantastic ones in minnesota that do incredible field to plate type of things. you know that's broad and general, but the rest of the country is maybe catching up where all of you are at. and there's win win wins in this if we get this right. this is one of those issue that's is incredible positive, economically, heal

ms. dana gunders. national resources defense counsel, san francisco, california. we have mr. jesse fink, a director of mission point in norwalk, connecticut. we have john oxford, president, ceo, l & m companies, raleigh, north carolina. ms. megan stance. grocery manufacturers association here in washington, d.c. mr. diana abbey, ceo, feeding america, chicago, illinois. and ms. emily broadleave, director food law policy clinic, harvard law school, jamaica plain, massachusetts. everybody has their seats. all right. if you'll begin when you're ready, ma'am. >> ranking member peterson and members of the committee, thank you for inviting me to testify today, and being willing to explore this issue. my name is dana gunders. i'm a senior scientific at the natural resources defense counsel and also the author of a report on food waste and a book called the waste free kitchen handbook which is a consumer guide to wasting less food. so imagine walking out of the grocery store with five bags of groceries, dropping two in the parking lot, and not bothering to pick them up. seems crazy, bu