ms. halverson. punch the button. >> i was going to mention, i do not know how many people would be needed to be included in a steady -- in a study, but in the chicago area, there is a practice of about 35,000 patients. many of them choose not to vaccinate, and their optimism rate is next to nothing. there are populations -- and there autism rate is next to nothing. the homage people can argue on that. -- the amish people can argue that. it is people from every walk of life. >> i do not know about that. >> let me be very clear on this point. i am representing what we know about the scientific evidence so far. that is really an unequivocal. it is not that cdc and nih and multiple studies have not looked at this, this problem has been looked at over and over again. 16 large-scale studies that have plowed into this question that many different levels and many different populations. whether you read those studies or institute -- >> you mean the total number -- >> the possibility of a connection with part

ms. halverson.punch the button on that. >> i don't know how many people are included in a study like this, but there is a physician in the chicago area will have the practice of 35,000 patients, many of them choose not to vaccinate and their autism rate is next to nothing. so there are populations of people who have that documentation. i agree, i don't think it is going to be that hard to find, the amish people argued is a closed situation, but it is every walk of life. >> i don't know about that. >> let me be clear on this point. >> it is not the cdc or multiple european and japanese studies looked at this, this problem has been looked at over and over again. 16 large-scale studies have plowed into this question on many levels in many populations and whether you read those studies or listen to the institute of medicine -- >> studies on the total number of vaccines -- >> looking at the connection, the possibility of a connection between vaccination with particular formulations, the prevalence of aut

ms. halverson.punch the button. >> i was going to mention, i do not know how many people would be needed to be included in a steady -- in a study, but in the chicago area, there is a practice of about 35,000 patients. many of them choose not to vaccinate, and their optimism rate is next to nothing. there are populations -- and there autism rate is next to nothing. the homage people can argue on that. -- the amish people can argue that. it is people from every walk of life. >> i do not know about that. >> let me be very clear on this point. i am representing what we know about the scientific evidence so far. that is really an unequivocal. it is not that cdc and nih and multiple studies have not looked at this, this problem has been looked at over and over again. 16 large-scale studies that have plowed into this question that many different levels and many different populations. whether you read those studies or institute -- >> you mean the total number -- >> the possibility of a connection with parti

ms. halverson. punch the button. >> i was going to mention, i do not know how many people would be needed to be included in a steady -- in a study, but in the chicago area, there is a practice of about 35,000 patients. many of them choose not to vaccinate, and their optimism rate is next to nothing. there are populations -- and there autism rate is next to nothing. the homage people can argue on that. -- the amish people can argue that. it is people from every walk of life. >> i do not know about that. >> let me be very clear on this point. i am representing what we know about the scientific evidence so far. that is really an unequivocal. it is not that cdc and nih and multiple studies have not looked at this, this problem has been looked at over and over again. 16 large-scale studies that have plowed into this question that many different levels and many different populations. whether you read those studies or institute -- >> you mean the total number -- >> the possibility of a connection with part