ms. hannah knows that. all of these incidents happened aboveground at our pumping stations, the majority of the oil was confined to transcanada property, and in the majority of the situations the amount of oil that leaked was five to ten gallons. five gallons is three oil changes in a truck are. so let's put some perspective on this. >> to be clear, though, there was, according to one number i found, a 500-barrel spill in may in north dakota. >> that's factually true. that is true. again, that was aboveground, did not involve the pipe in the ground. the oil was confined to our property except for an oil mist that sprayed into the outlying field. it was cleaned p up quickly. perspective on that, when they say 12 spills, the average american thinks, my god, it's the pipeline in the ground. that has not happened. that is not the truth. >> what about this, james. is there any way you can get this oil to the gulf coast without crossing these aquafers, going this particular route? >> well, here's the interesting