ms. hathaway: it depends. someone like the vice president has access to everything and he has got a computer -- access on his computer and i'm sure he has got paper documents being provided on a regular basis at all levels. and, you know, that material is going to be provided in paper form. i don't know what his preferences are. he probably looks at things electronically. different high-level government officials have different preferences. what you are supposed to do is you take a top-secret document as a skiff, there is a very specific process and it is supposed to be followed. it can be done, but it has to be sealed in a certain way and there has to be careful chain of custody. it really not supposed to transport it. when i was at the pentagon i did not have permission to take things out of the building. i could take materials from one skiff to another but it had to be sealed. a bag within a bag and that i had to go directly from one office to another. so there is a lot at my level, which is low-level. for

ms. hathaway question mark -- hathaway? guest: it is a great question.enator moynahan saw this before anyone else and was a big advocate for dealing with the problem. he was saying we are classifying way too much of this is bad for government. the government can tell people what it's doing. it handcuffs people in government from talking to ordinary americans about work they are doing and for people who are in the government from getting information from outside of government. and even congress, congress is working with these classified documents, they might get briefings but they can't tell their constituents what they know because of the briefings are classified they can share that information. it's not democracy, that was part of his point. he was way ahead of his time. as for the law, here's the crazy thing. it is actually an executive order. it is not even a law that was passed by congress that classified all of this information. an executive order is in order issued by the president that said you got to keep the information classified and manage and

ms. hathaway. >> guest: it's a great question and you're right, senator moynihan saw this way before anybody else. and was a big advocate for trying to deal with this problem, and this was before things that really spiraled out of control. even then he said look at where classify way too much. this is that her government because it means government can't tell people what it's doing and it really handcuffs people and government from talking to ordinary americans about work that they're doing ever people for in government from getting information from outside of government. it hamstrings congress. congress is working with his class of the document they might get briefings on things but they kept other constituents what to know because if the briefings are classified they can't share that information. it really is not good for democracy and i was part of his point. you're right he was way ahead of his time. as to what is the law, here's the crazy thing. it's actually an executive order. it's not even a law that was passed by congress that classifies all this information. an executive order is j

ms. hathaway. >> it's a great question and you're right senator moynihan saw that way before anybody else and was a big advocate for trying to deal with this problem. this was before if things had spiraled out of control. even then he said we are classifying way too much and this is bad for government. it means that government can't tell people what it's doing and it handcuffs peopling government from talking to ordinary americans about the work that they are doing anything from getting information from outside of the government and it hamstrings the congress. they might give briefings on things and they can't tell their constituents what they know because of its classified they can't share that information so it's not good for democracy and that was part of moynihan's point. you are absolutely right he was way ahead of his time. it's actually an executive order. it's not even a law passed by congress. an executive order is just an order issued by the president that says we have to keep this information classified and we have got to manage and keep this information from the public. those