ms. peralta haynes? >> i would say a few years ago when she was a legislative aide here at the board of supervisors and maybe before then. >> and when did she join your campaign for sheriff? >> about five weeks before the election. >> and can you describe your wife's relationship with lynette peralta haynes? 2011. >> i would say friendly, social. >> did you introduce them? >> i believe they just met themselves but since ms. peralta haynes worked on our campaign, that must have been one of the ways that they met. they could have met even before. >> have you referred to ms. peralta haynes in the past as a domestic violence advocate? >> me personally? >> yes. >> no. >> is your relationship with ms. paulettea haynes in the professional capacity as a political consultant or a domestic violence advocate? >> it's always been on a political/social level. >> sheriff, exhibit 82, which is an exhibit that's in the record is at&t phone records. that exhibit shows the 11:18 a.m. on january 4, your wife and lynette pe

haynes as a domestic violence advocate. you said you had never personally described ms. peralta haynes that way. >> i don't believe so i had. i believe i knew that was in her background, but that was not her relationship with me. >> ok. now this text message from ms. peralta haynes at 3:53 p.m. says, i need to talk to you to protect you. call me. >> do domestic violence advocates usually protect the frarptse or victims of the violence? >> objection. >> objection sustained. there's no foundation. >> so sheriff you are aware of the portrayal of ms. linnette peralta haynes as a domestic violence advocate. >> i have heard of the references. >> but to you she's a political consultant. >> i think you've established that fact. >> now sheriff, if we look further in exhibit 3, -- in exhibit 83. if you look on page three. we see a text message from your wife to you at 4:18 p.m. in the afternoon. stating call me, it is an emergency. do you see that? >> i do. >> do you recall receiving that text message from your wife? >> yes. >> and when did you -- what did you do in response to tha

ms. haynes's unavailability as well, or her counsel. chairperson hur: in light of that, i think we should withhold issuing a subpoena for ms. madison, as of now. unless there are dissenting views, i do not feel particularly strongly about it. does that address all of the objections to the mayor's fact witness list? i am sorry. we did not address ms. williams. i think, with ms. williams, because the issues are similar -- it is a shirker declaration. we could go through it, if the parties wanted to. or if you think it would be helpful to meet and confer, so you can reach whatever stipulations' you may be able to reach with ms. williams that result from your discussions of the other witnesses. we might be happy to hear that, too. >> i could offer that i would be willing to prepare my objections and submit them at the same time as the other objections to the merchants and madison declarations. >> you submitted objections to williams already. >> thank you for reminding me. if they needed to be expanded upon, if we needed to meet and confer, w

ms. haynes. is there anybody else who know with certainty we were -- will hear live? >> i don't think so. chairperson hur: what witness, -- >> both of our experts are available on the 29th. chairperson hur: is acceptable to defense counsel? >> i have thought so but an issue just came up. i need a moment. that is fine although i should state our objection to the sheriff testifying before the mayor's witnesses. chairperson hur: my understanding is that the mayor tent -- intends to call the sheriff. you want to make an objection to that.

ms. haynes. is there anybody else who know with certainty we were -- will hear live? >> i don't think so. chairperson hur: what witness, -- >> both of our experts are available on the 29th. chairperson hur: is acceptable to defense counsel? >> i have thought so but an issue just came up. i need a moment. that is fine although i should state our objection to the sheriff testifying before the mayor's witnesses. chairperson hur: my understanding is that the mayor tent -- intends to call the sheriff. you want to make an objection to that. >> he should be ready and available. chairperson hur: great. i understand that the mayor based on our previous conversations is available on the 29th? >> that is correct. chairperson hur: we had discussed the possibility of experts testifying out of order, having been testifying on the 29th. it sounds like they agree that will be ok. do i have that correct? >> there may be no need to take them out of order. chairperson hur: but you still want haynes. >> i do not know about the other witness. we are still deciding. i do not know about the

ms. haynes that day that would tend to show what role ms. haines was taking monday. it is proved, more or less, that she was intending to protect the sheriff, based on what was coming out of this incident. chairperson hur: you have conversations suggesting the sheriff had talked to ms. haines about providing pressure? >> we expect to get something out of this testimony, at least about contact regarding this incident, and also their relationship and ms. haines statement of their purpose. the kelly williams statement is first offered to show state of mind with regard to reporting this incident. less so, what happened on the 31st. the second reason the statement is relevant for a non-hearsay purpose is that there are substantial similarities between the account that ms. lopez gives to ms. williams and gave to ms. madison on the first. that tends to defeat the claim,, a claim of fabrication are in accuracy. it essentially gives greater weight to their testimony, in that they independently say that ms. lopez was relating to them the same basic facts about what happened. i

ms. haynes? chairperson hur: it sounds like she is saying she is not available until july. we should discuss scheduling as well as soon as we're done with this. we should address when she is going to be able to testify. the objections to the sheriff's declaration. is there anything else to consider? mr. kopp, will you be addressing this? >> perhaps i missed something that i did not see objections to his specific a state -- specific statements. >> the sheriff had filed his declaration late so we filed our deck -- objections. chairperson hur: the first objection. >> i do not think this is an opinion. it is a statement of fact. i feel he can offer in this testimony. >> the charges were dismissed as part of a global plea-bargain. that is different from charge is being dropped. -- charges being dropped. i think what happens at the sentencing speaks for itself and this in jackson and needed ambiguity. 0-- injects unneeded ambiguity. chairperson hur: that objection is overruled. the second objection. >> in terms of the mayor not telling sheriff mirkarimi why he suspended him, we t

ms. haynes that lasted about 39 minutes? >> yes, i have since become aware of it. yes. >> she was your campaign manager. >> yes. >> she had many responsibilities. >> yes. >> she had responsibility for the budget of your campaign? >> not exactly. there were other people involved in the budget of the campaign. she was a principal partner to it. >> she was the principal partner in helping to crofter public message during the campaign? >> not exactly. i had a consultant for that. >> did she do logistics for your campaign? >> yes. i would define it more like outreach and organizing the field, in campaign terms. >> when you have a person organizing in the field, problems arise in the field, and they help address them. >> objection. testifying. chairperson hur: wrap it up quickly. overruled. >> as it pertains to precincts and organizing in an election, correct. >> was she loyal to you? >> i would like to believe so. >> do you trust her? >> yes. >> do you value loyalty? >> yes. >> do you value her? >> yes. >> have you communicated with her before the morning of january for

ms. haynes and i think we should, whatever that date is, hold that we could get them to the extent they need to be cross-examined. >> based on some conflicts among lawyers, i think the earliest we would be able to do that would be july 16. chairperson hur: i am sorry. the commissioners just got the schedule. is july 16 available for all of the commissioners? that is monday, july 16. >> it is not. chairperson hur: ok. i guess this is a question to the commission staff. there are no rooms available from the 17th to the 20th? >> it is possible that this room is available. in the evening. but we have to double check the schedules of who is meeting during the day. also with sfg tv to see if they have broadcast slots available. for those evenings, if you wish to meet, we can schedule them tentatively and hopefully they stayed together. i would recommend doing that. chairperson hur: right. mr. kopp, you look like he wanted to say something. >> i just won the task. our weekends out? chairperson hur: yes. the building is closed on weekends. >> mizzola was there on sunday. we also reservations on the

ms. linnette peralta haynes, your wife, and others. let me ask you very directly. at any time did you dissuade anyone from any law enforcement investigation? >> never. >> at any time, did you ever ask anyone to destroy any evidence? >> never. >> thank you. we have also heard testimony about your weapons that were turned over to law enforcement. let me ask you first, how did you store those weapons? >> the two semiautomatic, at the six and the beretta, they are -- their slide chambers were completely setback. they were neutralized by a lot of tape. there was never ammunition in the weapons themselves at all. and it were completely immobilized from being of any use, and they were stored in a cabin vent -- cabinet in a storage room that would take both the padlock and a bald what, two keys, in order to gain entry. on at the smith, it was an open a cylinder, no ammunition, a taped so that the cylinder would not be -- so that the cylinder cannot be engaged, so that, again, they would be rendered neutralized. >> thank you. at any time after your address in january -- arr