ms. hocker: i think you gave a great answer. ms. jessen: that means i did. ms. hocker: yes. [laughter] ms. hocker: i want to stay on the topic of pain and the topic of preventing people from suffering. lenny, let's start with you. i think all of our panelists have a perspective on this. capable of the unborn child protection act, it passed the house but did not get to the senate rate -- get through the senate. we know that scientifically, there is no argument there, and at 20 weeks, a baby can feel pain, so if you are ripping that child out of the child's or the mothers will one them at a time, he is experiencing his that that a gruesome manner. -- his death in a gruesome manner. right now, states have various versions. what can we do as conservative activists to rise up? this does not go far enough in many people's view today, but what is our response now that that piece of legislation did not pass the senate? mr. mcallister: a lot of us talk in a secular perspective, but we can make it kind and easily. the declaration of independence is not safe choice, liberty and the pur

ms. hocker: i think you gave a great answer. ms. jessen: that means i did. ms. hocker: yes.cker: i want to stay on the topic of pain and the topic of preventing people from suffering. lenny, let's start with you. i think all of our panelists have a perspective on this. capable of the unborn child protection act, it passed the house but did not get to the senate rate -- get through the senate.