ms. edney: you mentioned camaraderie many of the presidents you have written have actually visited the national press club. william howard taft, teddy roosevelt, franklin roosevelt from this spot, lbj. eleanor roosevelt was the first woman to address the club, again, from this very spot in the ballroom. so a lot of the presidents also have come here to sit and relax. journalists founded this club is -- to have a place to socialize and relax. the 14th floor of harry truman is the vice president playing the piano with movie stars sitting on top of it. what do you think about the role that the club played in being able to get together and just relax a little bit? ms. goodwin: from what i have read about the history of it, that was the idea, a couple journalists wanted a place to go where they could play poker, relax, have a few drinks, and there was not such a place. and this place eventually developed. the larger point in the study of leadership or the study of careers, we feel today that we have no time to relax because everything goes with us, email or the iphone. but my four presidents were pretty busy, may be busier th