. >> ms. hwang? >> aye. >> it is -1, the denial is overruled with -- [inaudible] >> president peterson, shall we call the next item? you want to break or -- a break has been requested, a short break. we'll have a short break. >> we are now ready to call item number 7. >> calling item seven, appeal number 10-047. the property is at 4209 24th street. this is appealing the nanaimo on april 28th, 2010, of the permit to alter a building, 3rd story vertical addition, one story horizontal addition to the front, two-story horizontal addition to the rear, to an existing single-family house. >> do we need to wait? >> no, we can start now. >> scott sanchez, planning department. this is the denial of an application that what is submitted in 2009. the residential design team recommended minor changes. there is also the stairs at the rear of the building. as this relates to the project sponsor, the project sponsor respectfully refuse to make those decisions and the recommendation that the project be modified in th

. >> ms. hwang? >> aye. >> it is -1, the denial is overruled with -- [inaudible] >> president peterson, shall we call the next item? you want to break or -- a break has been requested, a short break. we'll have a short break.

it commissioner hwang: ms. wuerfel, i have a question about your attempt to communicate with the permit holder spree -- permit holders. in your brief, you have stated that you along with neighbors attended two meetings in 2007 with brand new plants and then the owners applied for a site permit in september, which is currently in the process of being withdrawn. in november, 2008, they moved out. have you had any communication with the property owners? >> no, since they put in their site plans in 2007, all of that was a shock to us. there has not been any communication. even when they moved out. commissioner hwang: what at times have you made, if at all? >> we are available any time. i don't knock on their door and say what are you doing with your plans? i expect them to send notice to the neighbors, and we have attended each and every invitation. but i don't that is appropriate for me to knock on the door and ask when they're getting around to their plans. commissioner hwang: okay, thank you. president peterson:

ms. unterberger. commissioner hwang: this is dated march 2010. is this the second or the third one? is this the final one? >> i am not certain of this, but i think that there has been a list subsequent to this, to the march 1. commissioner hwang: you are shaking your head. >> for the record, this is the final one. we did provide letters that mr. burns and mr. werner gave with variations. this is the final list. commissioner hwang: i think i recall you stated that earlier. i just wanted to hear from mr. paul. when you and ms. unterberger review that list? did she review this list? >> she did. >> was there an opportunity would have had to discuss this, or was it -- >> she discussed it with a contractor. i was not involved until after this appeal was filed. commissioner hwang: got it. do you know what happened, based on your discussion, whether any attempts were made to get to this fourth column, a possible remedy? >> no, i do not believe so. in march of this year, sally's hands were both bandaged from surgery she had experienced. she was not in a position to be putting a lot of energy

commissioner hwang: ms. short, i'd like to hear replanting of more, not the baby trees but do you ever have replantings with more mature trees and is that an effective sort of alternative? >> we do. and generally, there is some evidence that younger trees will establish more quickly than larger trees when -- and the larger the tree, the more root system you need to be able to transplant so your transplant success, particularly if you're digging up a tree can go down the larger it is because you're less likely to get the full root system. having said that, planting larger boxed trees that have been grown in containers has been successful and we will often require it at our hearings if there's a particularly large tree that's being removed and especially if there's a neighborhood concern that they're losing that benefit and that tree. so it is certainly possible to put in larger box sizes. they would require a little bit more additional water and care to ensure that they don't go into transplant shock. but whe