debbie joins us live, and ms. hynes, baltimores former mayor was credit sized for trying to arrest his way out in washington where you are they locked up 47,000 people as operation clean sweep. by releasing these photos is this going to make the situation better or worse in your opinion. >> no, i don't think lit make it any better, what is happening really in baltimore is more or less a work stoppage or a work slow down with the police. and that is what is causing the great influx of crime that is increasing right now. that we are seeing primarily in wealth baltimore. >> so once again baltimore finds itself caught in the middle of the debate between law and odderrer and long term problems isn't this howl it began decades ago? exactly, and what happened deck kates ago web maybe not so far as decades. martin o'malley did try to enact the zero tolerance and while it did eliminate a lot of crime and lowers the crime rate in baltimore what it also did was zero tolerance to many people's rights and they were just basically ha