ms. kathleen rice from new york. >> thank you, mr. chairman. mr. mayorkas, you have made reference to in your testimony and in your written statement that you support and embrace secretary job soften's protocols -- johnson's protocols that were developed to more ably insure that employees understand the involvement of their supervisors in specific cases. can you -- forgive me if i missed this, but did you tell us what those protocol changes were? >> no, i haven't. and i believe they were issued formally this past monday in the office of general counsel. they set forth protocols that speak to a clearance process before certain leaders become involved -- involved in particular cases. they define very generally the circumstances in which that involvement is warranted, or i should say optimal. they speak to the, congressman walker's issue in question. they speak to the recording of the involvement so there's clarity and understanding by all employees with respect to the reasons for and the fact of that involvement. and i clearly would have benefited fr

ms. kathleen rice from new york. rep. rice: thank you, mr. chairman.you have made reference to in your testimony, and in your written statements that you support and embrace secretary johnson's protocols to an blade -- and sure the involvement of supervisors in the cases. forgive me if i missed this, but did you tell us what those protocol changes were? hon. mayorkas: no i have it and i believe that they were issued formally this fast -- past monday. they set forth protocols that speak to a clearance process before certain leaders become involved in particular cases. they defined many jerry only -- very generally the circumstances with which that involvement is warranted or, i should say alton will hear -- optimal. the speak to congressman walker's issue in questions. they speak to the recording involvement. there is clarity in understanding i all employees with respect to the reasons for the fact of that involvement. and i clearly would have benefited from those protocols. rep. rice: what about whether or not in order to address mr. katko's line of qu